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Indiaspirituality
Namaste Brothers and Sisters,
Whenever one tries to prove anything, most probably the discussion becomes a dog fight. Our goal of life also determines our approach. Our actions and speech are a reflection of our mental status.
Issues will keep rising unless one accepts that both sides of coin are to be acknowledged. Only one part is stressed (Saguna or nirguna Brahman). Another has to be experienced. Rejecting one side of coin will be like wanting fire but not it’s warmth. They both are inseparable. Please understand that praising one form of God or belief system does not mean defaming degrading other. But then again, this approach may be called neo and so rejected.
Then how will it bring peace and harmony? We are not living in jungle or in a Himalayan cave that we can hold onto our POV rigidly and that no one is going to interact with us. We live in society and so we have to tolerate all faiths. Biased, hate speeches will do more harm to us then others. Lord Buddha said, ‘Anger is like holding hot coal with the intent of throwing at others’ . If we are not at peace than how can we teach our children and the next generation. What will the future?
HDF posts and it's content is tossed into the wild very fast and any outsider gets opportunity to ... (I guess you know).
Our big family may have differences, but do you take your family matter into public?
Alas, many learned members will keep trying to back their thoughts and no one backs off, as it is win-loose battle for them. Unfortunately no other member one attempts to begin peace.
Proving supremacy is more of an egg-chicken riddle and proving supremacy that makes things worst. Else one can simply ignore other member’s posts and move on. Some members have bias for one path e.g. advaita or against some acharya. Nothing will happen to Ramanuja or shankara, but it is you whos progress will stop.
What proof is needed for God or Brahman. Mandukya says OM is everything. It says Atman is Brahman (correct me if I am wrong). In Gita Bhagavan says, I am OM.
So OM = Krushna or
Krushna = OM
Or if someone says,
Brahman = Krushna
Krushna = Brahman
What difference does it make if I type OM first? Just because I practice Advaita, naturally OM will come first on my lips. A Krushna devotee will naturally remember Krushna first.
God will say both things about saguna and nirguna, but we will keep fighting. Were shastras created for creating controversies? Think?
There is nothing to prove. Truth remains truth and needs no proof. Truth has to be realized, be it Krushna, Rama, shakti or Brahman. I feel instead of proving anything, better spend more time with God. Better is to start walking then just keep talking, for in this world, you may be victorious, but you will be the last to reach the destination which Vedas point.
For me, I will feel proud if I see or read that Shankaracharya is praising Vasudeva and accepting him a supreme. To me it is not contradictory. It is out of respect. Though we negate God’s Maya, we do respect God Saguna Ishwara. So if I find shankara praising Narayana, I will feel proud and not think that shankara is not consistent with his thinking and is contradicting himself or that no matter what he speaks, truth spills out sometimes and that truth is – Nayarana is supreme. NO. I will not think in this way. I will think positively, as positive thoughts being peace and not negative thoughts. The very purpose of Vedas will be defeated.
Krushna in Gita says live like Janak. So if you read Ashtavakra Gita, which in on Ajata Vada, you will understand what Krushna says. Similarly, if you read Yog-Vasistha, which is discourse between Rama and Vasista muni, it gives importance to Advaita and even ajata vada. We accept Rama but not statement which Rama himself listened from his guru. Even Maa Sita in Hanumad Gita says that Rama is attributeless and Sita is his Maya and that everyone is trapped in it. We will ignore that Krushna said that I am teaching whatever is there in Upanishads, thereby acknowledging Upanishads and not taking credit from Jnanis and bhaktas, even though he is the creator of entire universe. But it is we who fight on their name, worst, we reject anyone who is trying to spread harmony.
I do not know about others faiths like VA or Dvaita, so I cannot comment on it, but I feel at any time, a saint may not make contradictions for the sake of contradiction. A deeper meaning has to be understood and attempts has to be made by disciple to think on it positively.
Another important factor, which may be the deciding factor to withdraw from a debate is ‘GOAL OF LIFE’. If the goal is self realization, then one can ask questions to oneself
1. Will this debate help me with my spiritual progress
2. Who is more important, god or ego or person? For God’s sake, I should stop arguring for the one who is not wanting to understand.
3. Each one is right from his/her POV.
Please renounce para-dharma. Ego is para-dharma, reject it. Intolerance is not our dharma. Reject it. Ego and intolerance has not place in spirituality. Forget past, today is a new beginning. If we keep ourselves in check, surely HDF will be an e-temple and will project true spirit of Hindu dharma – peace, unconditional love, compassion, truth, tolerance and service to mankind. Let us stick on our true dharma, to love, serve worship God and / or abide in him. There is no other refuge.
I am not a scholar. There are many scholars and learned members here in HDF. Surely they can help new comers, new-converts all in good spirit.
I request all respected Brothers and Sisters to kindly think over it.
Aum
Indiaspirituality
Note: I am not an authority in spirituality. opinions and connecting them with shastras like Gita, Ramayana, Mandukya Karika,Yog vasista and Hanumad Gita are my own. There is no intention to hurt any faith. My prostrations to God and Guru.
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