Neo-Hinduism and Traditional Hinduism

[MahaHrada]

The Greeks believed that one turtle was standing on another turtle who was standing on another turtle ad infinitum. They did not realise turtles can be supported by water, but the Hindus did.

The puranic descriptions use different models to describe the universe, some of these have been researched by scholars like Richard Thompson. Not all of them are easily understood, but that does not mean there is no truth behind it.

Your sarcastic remarks are typical troll behaviour. Your alliance is with atheism and western occultism, you have no business telling Hindus what is traditional or not.

Literalism of puranas, antiquity of the word Hindu are all typical Neo hindu viewpoints. neo Hindus cannot live without an imagined enemy the anti-Hindu, while traditional hindus do not share the attitude of indulging in paranoid conspiracy theories and pseudo scientific Nonsense.

[Sahasranama]

That is just you imposing your post modern rationalism on traditional Hinduism which is typical of neo Hindus like Dayananda and Vivekananda.

[MahaHrada]

That is just you imposing your post modern rationalism on traditional Hinduism which is typical of neo Hindus.

You are incorrect, all shastras and all veda mantras contain a secret meaning the rahasyam which cnnot be understood without the guru sishya parampara.

A few years ago i was in Kerala visiting the Kodunthirapully agraharam a repose of traditional vedic lifestyle. Traditional Hindus also have no problem honouring western vedic scholars like Wietzel, Staal and others only Neo hindus have a problem with academics because they have a problem with reality. You can see that for yourself. Are these brahmins also anti hindus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDcKzCc0F8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHXA7ru9yc

This youtube video the vedic savants dedicated to:

Sri: Finnian Moore Gerety (DEPT of Sanskrit,Harvard University ) is a student of eminent Sanskrit scholar and Vedic researcher Prof:Michael witzel [Wales Professor of Sanskrit, Harvard University (1987) Fellow, American Academy of Arts and Sciences (2003) Honorary member, German Oriental Society (2009)] along with Dr:T.P.Mahadeva Iyer (DPT of English Harvard University ) were visited our Agraharam for Jimineeya Sema Veda (05/07/2010)

Now you have to hurry and warn them that these people they honour are all evil baddies the anti-Hindus.

[Sahasranama]

You are generalising, if a few traditional Hindus honour indologists that doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't honour indologists is not a traditional Hindu. For someone claiming to be a proponent of science, you are making highly illogical arguments. I know plenty of traditional Hindus who take the itihasas and puranas literal. Like I said, as a German occultist, you have no business telling Hindus what is traditional.

[Twilightdance]

Amidst all the dust and chaos, It is good to see that there is (partial) agreement on at least one topic-

Birds of a feather flock together.

[MahaHrada]

You are generalising, if a few traditional Hindus honour indologists that doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't honour indologists is not a traditional Hindu. For someone claiming to be a proponent of science, you are making highly illogical arguments.

No i am not generalising it is solely Neo Hindus with twisted and perverted political motivations that suffer from conspiracy theories, traditional Hindus especially from the vedic shrauta dharma, all have a great interest in preservation and documenting of their tradition because it is dying out, and they are thankful for the help these academics offer.

[Twilightdance]

You are generalising, if a few traditional Hindus honour indologists that doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't honour indologists is not a traditional Hindu. For someone claiming to be a proponent of science, you are making highly illogical arguments.

No, the argument was we only see Neo Hindus [like in this forum] living in fantasy dream world of conspiracy theories, while traditional sampradaya hindus having no problem in welcoming western indologists. Science works on evidence for a hypothesis, which was being presented.

[Sahasranama]

No i am not generalising it is solely Neo Hindus with twisted and perverted political motivations that suffer form conspiracy theories, traditional Hindus especially from the vedic shrauta dharma, all have a great interest in preservation and documenting of their tradition because it is dying out, and they are thankful for the help these academics offer.

Them being thankful for academics holding a video camera while they are doing yajnas has nothing to do with agreeing with indological interpretations of the shastras, even if they did that doesn't make everyone who doesn't agree with indological interpretations a neo Hindu.

[MahaHrada]

Them being thankful for academics holding a video camera while they are doing yajnas has nothing to do with agreeing with indological interpretations of the shastras, even if they did that doesn't make everyone who doesn't agree with indological interpretations a neo Hindu.

if you think that traditional vedic communities agree with your Neo hindu interpretations of their tradition you are dead wrong.

Most of the work of Staal and Wietzel and other indologists consists of documenting and preserving the traditions, it is not that the Neo Hindus are at odds with the academics because of their interpretations, but because of what they document, which in case of staal and wietzel is the reality of traditional vedic Hinduism which, because it is very different from the imagined revisionist Neo Hinduism, must be opposed by the Neo, targeting the western anti hindu is only a straw man attack what the Neo Hindus actually attack is the reality of his own religion, Hinduism. Most academic work is merely to document their research and report in field work what they see and are told. I never heard that any of the traditionalists in Kerala disgaree for instance with any of the work of Frits staal, they always worked hand in hand on documenting shrauta dharma.

[Sahasranama]

The handful of brahmins from kerala do not hold a monopoly on traditional Hinduism. This is typical indological compartmentalisation. They have preserved a selection of yajnas and ritualistic lifestyle and that is wonderful, but the Vedic tradition has been preserved by traditional Hindus in many other forms all over India and abroad. I have watched Staal's documentary and I thought it was fascinating, you are merely attacking a strawman by bringing him up. I have indeed no respect for Witzel. Witzel together with other Harvard "South Asia" scholars like Diana Eck have played a role in removing Dr Subramanian Swami, an economy professor from Harvard, because of his article in DNA where he shared ideas to counteract Islamic terrorism in India. Similarly Dr. Koenraad Elst has been removed from the RISA list, because his pro Hindu political views didn't sit well with the indology bureaucrats. The anti-Hindu bigotry from indologists is not a conspiracy, but reality. You have no basis to deny this.