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    Re: OSHO Meditation advice

    Namaste,

    Osho was deported because he was way too outspoken about the maleccha religion of Christianity. In many of his discourses he made anti Christianity comments, jokes about the pope etc. Vatican banned a number of his books. I believe that since he spoke so loudly against Christianity and its crimes against humanity that everything was done to silence him, to tarnish his reputation and to finally poison him and thus kill him.

    That said, he had unorthodox ideas about a relationship between a man and a woman, especially it came to sexual relations. He believed that sex is a basic need and should not create any obligation to stay together with each other for eternity.

    I have read many of his discourses and I don't find any thing wrong in what he says, just a different perspective on the human condition. I am lucky to have close to thirty if not more of his books. If you run out of reading material, check out any of his books. Only caveat, he might turn you into an atheist if you are not cautious. You have to read him keeping in mind that it is his perspective, a different perspective and you are well within your own right to disagree with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    I have a policy against taking meditation advice from sexual miscreants.

    I think Osho has the dubious distinction of being the first "Hindu guru" to be deported from the United States for criminal activity. I really have no idea why anyone would go to him for any sort of spiritual insight.
    Last edited by satay; 01 April 2013 at 07:37 AM.
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    Re: OSHO Meditation advice

    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    Namaste,

    Osho was deported because he was way too outspoken about the maleccha religion of Christianity. In many of his discourses he made anti Christianity comments, jokes about the pope etc.
    That is because Christianity was the prevailing dogma where he was preaching. He would not have any problem giving the same treatment to Hinduism if that would serve to create attention for him.

    Vatican banned a number of his books. I believe that since he spoke so loudly against Christianity and its crimes against humanity that everything was done to silence him, to tarnish his reputation and to finally poison him and thus kill him.
    That is what his nutjob followers think. Prabhupada followers believe the same. Even if it was true, it makes no difference. In the west people become important after they have been persecuted, like Christ and Socrates. But persecution should not matter to someone who looks objectively at the content of someone's teachings, not just what happened to the individual.

    That said, he had unorthodox ideas about a relationship between a man and a woman, especially it came to sexual relations. He believed that sex is a basic need and should not create any obligation to stay together with each other for eternity.
    These ideas were adopted from the hippie culture that existed at those time. It has very little to do with Tantra. This type of thinking is just as extreme as imposing lifelong monogamous relations on the entire society, but on the other end of the spectrum. By the way, Osho was severely homophobic.

    I have read many of his discourses and I don't find any thing wrong in what he says, just a different perspective on the human condition.
    It is great if you can read someone's work as just another perspective, but most people don't have that discrimination and follow the teachings of these gurus as gospel.
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    Namaste shas,
    My first response was to the OP. the second post that you replied to is for philoso. Are you saying philoso has no foundational knowledge of Hinduism? I beg to differ.

    You seem to be mixing up my posts. I never said osho teachings have anything to do with tantra just that his book of secrets does. And re Hinduism, yes you are right, in fact osho did give the same treatment to Hinduism.
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    Re: OSHO Meditation advice

    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    Namaste shas,
    My first response was to the OP. the second post that you replied to is for philoso. Are you saying philoso has no foundational knowledge of Hinduism? I beg to differ.
    No, I was talking about the readers of this forum in general and about IcySupreme, not about philosoraptor.

    You seem to be mixing up my posts. I never said osho teachings have anything to do with tantra just that his book of secrets does.
    I wasn't responding directly to what you said, but to how the Osho beliefs you mentioned are inconsistent. Osho and other neo-Tantriks look at Tantra for an excuse to fullfull their materialistic desires. This is a backward justification, because Tantrik regulations about sexuality, alcohol and meat consumption were often a lot stricter than what was followed outside of Tantra.

    And re Hinduism, yes you are right, in fact osho did give the same treatment to Hinduism.
    Yes.

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    Pranams,

    Here is what I found on wiki:

    "In mid 1981, Osho relocated to the United States and his followers established an intentional community, later known as Rajneeshpuram, in the state of Oregon. Within a year, the leadership of the commune became embroiled in a conflict with local residents, primarily over land use, which was marked by hostility on both sides. The large collection of Rolls-Royce automobiles purchased for his use by his followers also attracted criticism. The Oregon commune collapsed in 1985 when Osho revealed that the commune leadership had committed a number of serious crimes, including a bioterror attack (food contamination) on the citizens of The Dalles.[6] He was arrested shortly afterwards and charged with immigration violations. Osho was deported from the United States in accordance with a plea bargain.[7][8][9] Twenty-one countries denied him entry, causing Osho to travel the world before returning to Poona, where he died in 1990."

    Admittedly, immigration law, like many laws criminalizing non-aggressive behavior, is often used to punish those deemed as detractors by society. But being denied entry by 21 countries strikes me as a real accomplishment just for speaking out against Christianity. This is a man who, by all accounts, lived a live of great opulence and sexual indulgence even while talking about things like meditation. I'm baffled that anyone would think that a mleccha like him worth listening to when you evaluate his teachings in the context of the life he lead. Simply gratifying your senses with indulgence is hardly very original as far as philosophy is concerned. It seems to me that his main appeal is that he pontificates on some flowery points of philosophy, but these appear to be extracted from older religions.

    "In questioning how the total corpus of Osho's work might be summarised, Bob Mullan, a sociologist from the University of East Anglia, stated in 1983: "It certainly is eclectic, a borrowing of truths, half-truths and occasional misrepresentations from the great traditions. It is also often bland, inaccurate, spurious and extremely contradictory."[216] He also acknowledged that Osho's range and imagination were second to none,[216] and that many of his statements were quite insightful and moving, perhaps even profound at times,[217] but what remained was essentially "a potpourri of counter-culturalist and post-counter-culturalist ideas" focusing on love and freedom, the need to live for the moment, the importance of self, the feeling of "being okay", the mysteriousness of life, the fun ethic, the individual's responsibility for their own destiny, and the need to drop the ego, along with fear and guilt.[218]
    Uday Mehta, in summing up an appraisal of Osho's teachings, particularly errors regarding his interpretation of Zen, Mahayana Buddhism and how they relate to the proto-materialist nature of Tantric philosophy, suggests that: "It is not surprising to find that Rajneesh could get away with several gross contradictions and inconsistencies in his teachings. This was possible for the simple reason that an average Indian (or for that matter even western) listener knows so little about religious scriptures or various schools of thought that it hardly requires much effort to exploit his ignorance and gullibility."[219] According to Mehta, Osho's appeal to his Western disciples was based on his social experiments, which established a philosophical connection between the Eastern guru tradition and the Western growth movement.[210]
    Writing in 1996, Hugh B. Urban (Assistant Professor of Religion and Comparative Studies at Ohio State University), like Mullan, found Osho's teaching neither original nor especially profound, noting that most of its content had been borrowed from various Eastern and Western philosophies.[160] What he found most original about Osho was his keen commercial instinct or marketing strategy, by which he was able to adapt his teachings to meet the changing desires of his audience,[160] a theme also picked up on by Gita Mehta in her book Karma Cola: Marketing the Mystic East.[220] In 2005, Urban observed that Osho had undergone a "remarkable apotheosis" after his return to India, and especially in the years since his death, going on to describe him as a powerful illustration of what F. Max Müller, over a century ago, called "that world-wide circle through which, like an electric current, Oriental thought could run to the West and Western thought return to the East."[221] By negating the dichotomy between spiritual and material desires, and reflecting the preoccupation with the body and sexuality characteristic of late capitalist consumer culture, Osho had apparently been able to create a spiritual path that was remarkably in tune with the socio-economic conditions of his time.[221]"
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    Re: OSHO Meditation advice

    If you want to study Tantric Meditation, Swami Lakshmanjoo, Jaideva Singh, Mark Dzykowski are much better. Osho and his teachings should be kept at arm's length.
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    Thanks for the replies. Before I address them I'd like to make something clear. I am not partial to OSHO or any of his teachings. I don't follow him and whenever I view any of his philosophical opinions it is with a open mind. The reason I mention this is, if OSHO taught a specific part of the Gita word for word, without imposing his own opinion on it, just because its OSHO it wouldn't become invalid. So I ask that when you reply please understand I don't care about OSHO's contextual foundation in this case, only if the meditation techniques are effective. His personal escapades regarding sex and meditation are irrelevant. Thankyou.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaFan View Post
    Gosh Icy, I know you will, but please be careful. Sexual abandon in this day and age is a death sentence with HIV and AIDS, what to speak of other horrors. On a lighter note, don't be surprised if you happen to go to one of their "dance events" that some odd person who stinks is going to come up behind you and try and pull your pants down, and you get in a fist fight trying to get the heck out of there by punching some butch lady blocking your extreme exit left.

    Warning to others - I tried to play the dance video from my cell phone, instead it would not play but did a download a video and crashed my phone.

    Om Namah Sivaya
    Namaste ShivaFan, thanks for the response. Rest assured I won't do anything that involves sexual abandon, and if he recommends that sort of behavior in conjuction with the meditation I am completely disattached from it. I just want to know if the actual meditation practice itself is beneficial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sahasranama View Post
    Osho was a very controversial figure. He did abuse Hindu religious teachings for his personal gains. He is not the only person who has done this, but this is a sensitive topic for many people on the forum.

    If you are interested in a moving meditation, there are forms of yoga that use movement, like Ashtanga Vinyasa which was first taught by Vamana Rishi. This is a very athletic type of yoga and may not be suited for everyone. The Tibetan yogi's practiced a milder of form moving yoga, like Yantra Yoga. The Chinese practised even more milder forms of movement based meditation like Qigong. (The legend in China goes that Qigong was brought to China by Bodhidharma, a Buddhist monk travelling from India.)

    Pick any of the above meditations and don't even think about following some neo-Tantric weirdo.
    Namaste. I will check these out, thanks for the recommendations.

    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    Namaste icy,

    There is a book called "the book of secrets". It contains osho discourses on all meditation techniques from tantra. These techniques were spoken by lord shiva to ma Parvati. It is a great book to have in your library. I think if you look hard enough you might even find it online. If you are interested in reading osho take on the techniques, I recommend this book. It is a bit pricey and took me a couple of years to decide because of price if I really wanted it in my library or not.

    Check it out.
    Namaste Satay. I remember you mentioned OSHO in a previous thread I made about him. I will check it out. I was a tad surprised to see all the negative press around him. After I was watching his discourses I became disattached immediately to his overall philosophy when some of his stern veiws didn't resonate with me. Although I have the utmost respect for the man. I know people whose entire houses are filled with OSHO books and CD's. This fellow has 8 books full of notes of his work. Incredible really. I will take a look at this book. Thankyou.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omkara View Post
    If you want to study Tantric Meditation, Swami Lakshmanjoo, Jaideva Singh, Mark Dzykowski are much better. Osho and his teachings should be kept at arm's length.
    Thanks. I will take a look. After reading what I mentioned in the first paragraph of this post, would you reevaluate your sentiment on keeping OSHO's teachings at arms length or would it not change.

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    Re: OSHO Meditation advice

    namaste philosoraptor,

    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    Pranams,

    Here is what I found on wiki:
    If you want to know about Osho, I suggest you read any of his books and make up your own mind.

    As far as OP, I recommend the book, The book of secrets. I stand by this recommendation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcySupreme View Post
    Thanks for the replies. Before I address them I'd like to make something clear. I am not partial to OSHO or any of his teachings. I don't follow him and whenever I view any of his philosophical opinions it is with a open mind. The reason I mention this is, if OSHO taught a specific part of the Gita word for word, without imposing his own opinion on it, just because its OSHO it wouldn't become invalid. So I ask that when you reply please understand I don't care about OSHO's contextual foundation in this case, only if the meditation techniques are effective. His personal escapades regarding sex and meditation are irrelevant.
    Isn't a person's thinking a reflection of his meditation/sadhana? If Osho has becomes all of this after following Osho's meditation, how do you hope to follow it and become something else? You may repeat that you will be highly selective. But as some others have hinted, I think that dangerous thoughts can creep in before you even realize. Meditation is a mind game and he is a very influencial speaker.

    In Hinduism, the tradition has always been to follow a teacher only after his/her wisdom and the resulting high moral standards have been verified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jignyAsu View Post
    If Osho has becomes all of this after following Osho's meditation....
    ...assuming Osho actually practiced those meditations himself. I don't seem to recall Osho's "awakening" being the result of practicing any particularly distinctive Osho-type meditation.

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