Does anyone find milk touched by the lips of a serpent to be appetizing?
Philosoraptor
"Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something." - Plato
Namaste.
That is very interesting.
I have been doing my own research...mainly into the circumstances surrounding his death (which I knew nothing about).
He passed away at a relatively young age and amid the allegations of thallium poisoning, there were also those who said that Osho was a regular user of Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) for a jaw condition (he was a dentist).
He also had diabetes and heart problems, so I think that a cocktail of 'any/all of the above' could have done it.
I will provide links for the above upon request.
Aum Namah Shivaya
Osho was a criminal fraud IMO....
http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/i...e_than_we.html
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ent/p53/a14420
Vannakkam: When we deal with committees in real life, and some of the people we are working with have a long standing tradition of generally proposing 'dumb' ideas, sometimes they might proposes a wonderful idea, and then because of the previous stuff, we all discard it, missing out on an opportunity. So when this happens, the more wise people involved work hard to separate the messenger form the message.
Suppose this teacher had written under a pen name, or sheets of paper fell from the sky with no name attached. A searcher could pick up the paper and read only the message, not realising where it came from. That would , IMO, be a much better way of deciding on whether or not any particular teacher suits you.
Back in adolescence, two people would tell the exact same joke. We'd all laugh at the cool guy's joke, but just stare rudely when the not so cool guy told the same joke. Are we that distorted about image?
So who cares where the message came from, as long as its a good message?
Aum Namasivaya
Dumb but not dangerous ideas. And you are assuming here that everyone can rightly separate the good from the bad ideas. This is clearly not true for newbies. Even for experienced ones, a thought can just creep in without us
notising and can influence us for years.
Now, I am not suggesting that we search out only for Rishis in this age..but isn't it very practical to expect atleast minimum moral standards and sense control from who you are listening to? This has been the tradition and
this makes sense.
If you find that a teacher is caught in molestation, would you still listen to him? I bring this up because nowadays we have a few popular teachers (especially the distorted Advaita propounders) that clearly lack moral standards and in defense say that we should focus on the thought and not the person.
I am not trying to put down anyone here but I honestly think that the thought: "Focus on the thought and not the person" is very dangerous. I wouldn't teach that to my son/daughter..so I wouldn't advice that to any aspirant.
Vannakkam jignyAsu: I don't really want to derail this thread. But I've worked with temple building committees. You'd be amazed at how some ideas are discounted immediately, not because of the idea, but because of the person. Equally likely is the opposite. Some ideas ate agreed to right away, if it comes from a certain person.
The same thing happens at labour-management negotiating tables, which I've also sat at. If it comes from the other side of the table, it must be a bad idea. Same too withj partisan politics. If they said it, then it must be bad.
Having said all that, I would certainly proceed with a lot more caution if reading words from someone who's behaviour didn't match.
Aum Namasivaya
Namaste.
The whole line of thought involved there, equates to 'ad hominem' or 'to the man' and the human psyche is rather notorious for it.
I am a constant victim of it myself. Some can be so because their characters are quite controversial. Others, because they are not controversial enough.
Sometimes, we are persecuted for our beliefs, yet our retaliation justifies that persecution.
When it comes down to spiritual matters, it's very difficult to judge who is being the 'bigger hypocrite'.
We surround ourselves with our own 'versions of the truth' yet we wouldn't recognise it, even if spoken by a backstreet rapper somewhere.
In that regard, it's entirely subjective and experiential.
So, do that Osho meditation thing, dear OP and kindly tell us what you got out of it.
Aum Namah Shivaya
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