The Demoniac:

[Zardozi]

"the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have No intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world":
Gita illustration:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/24.html

How about those that are lost in themselves who Have "intelligence" that engage in Beneficial works that mean to recreate the world by destroying it calling it Jihad or Armageddon?

Are their alternatives subtitles to these gita in Pictures?


Maste Nam,
Zardozi

[Kaos]

"the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have No intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world":
Gita illustration:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/24.html

How about those that are lost in themselves who Have "intelligence" that engage in Beneficial works that mean to recreate the world by destroying it calling it Jihad or Armageddon?

Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego--all together these eight comprise My separated material energies.
- Bhagavad Gita (7-4)


Yes, those lost in themselves who have "intelligence" in the context of engaging in Jihad or Armageddon are deluded, attracted to the separated material energy of the Lord. Those who are deluded become entangled in their own actions and reactions.

Hare Krsna!

[sm78]

"the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have No intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world":
Gita illustration:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/24.html

How about those that are lost in themselves who Have "intelligence" that engage in Beneficial works that mean to recreate the world by destroying it calling it Jihad or Armageddon?

Are their alternatives subtitles to these gita in Pictures?


Maste Nam,
Zardozi

"intelligence"=No intelligence
The title is thus 'The Demoniac'.

[yajvan]

Hari Om
~~~~~

Namaste ,

This conversation is of great import, and perhaps we can consider a parallel conversation I will mention at the end of this post.

That said, we have known these types of people throughout time ( at least in Kali yug). It is unfortunate that these people ( Hitler, Stalin, Paul Pott, Idi Amin, etc. etc.) bring major grief and unhappiness to the family of man. What is it about them that motivates? What is missing in them that causes this negative behavior? This I ponder but know that the light of life in them is extinguished - that is, that of the Divine. Would one kill and bring misery to others if they knew that others are really an extension of their own SELFs? This is the Maha-avidya, the prime ignorance that brings unhappiness to society.

And what do the wise say? I look to Vasistha's wisdom given to Sri Ram:

" he who fights a battle which is in accord with scriptural injunctions on behalf of a righteous king of unblemished conduct, whether he dies or lives, is a hero. Yet he who fights for an unrighteous monarch, who tortures people and mutilates their bodies, even if he dies fighting in battle he is a beast or criminal and goes to hell. He who fights for a king that delights in harassing others (whether a king or not) they too go to hell. Yet the one who fights to protect the cattle, holymen, friends, or those that have taken his asylum, he is an ornament of heaven."

Now all that is said by your posts, and this post... what of us? What is our inherent nature ? We know that we are essentially divine beings, yet why is society's behaviors of lesser merit? We are essentially good people yet why is this not a primary trait in every day life we see?

It's my opinion as I watch and study the human condition that this 'divine in us' needs to be kindled. As if we were a flower that grows wild, sprawled all over with no specific dimension to it, until the gardener gives it a direction, a 'grooming' , a trellis to grow on to. Like that, we are divine in 'seed form' and that seed can become a big healthy oak tree with proper care and feeding. To me, that care and feeding is that of pure consciousness, of this restful alertness we have discussed on occasion.

Unless we groom this consciousness to unfold divinely, it is tossed in the wind, hear and there, like a boat with no rudder in the sea. Life happens to us; the Graha's influnce us, the 3 guna's are at play with our nature, past vasana's ( impressions from the past) all manifest within and without us.


As we have referred to the Bhagavad gita here in the original post, we can look to it for guidence... If we consider Kesava's instruction back in Chapt 2.50 ( as you folks have brought up intelligence, which is rooted in intellect) Krsna says to Arjuna - He whose intellect is united (wth the Self) casts off both good and evil even here ( on earth); Therefore devote yourself to Yoga. Yoga is skill in action.


This one sentence is enough to solve the problems of the world , if it were applied. By doing such - we then would naturally be able to leave the 3 guna's behind, per Krsna's guidence , found in Chapt 2.43 - ' freed from duality, ever firm in purity' - that is outside the tossing and turning of this relative field of life, of the influence of the graha's ( planets)... but how? by 'being without the 3 guna's' ( same verse 43). But what purity is Krsna suggesting? Not of washing our face and hands! It is the purity of consciousness, of the pure awareness that is lived 7x24x365 when one is without the 3 guna's.

This is the wisdom of the gita - if we as a society were able to practice only one verse, or one chapter of the gita (Chapt 2), we would be well on our way to a great society.


pranams,

[Kaos]

Without wisdom, intelligence, worldly knowledge can all too easily turn destructive.

Taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige and being thus illusioned, the demoniac are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.
- Bhagavad Gita (16-10)

[Znanna]

The notion that "the Demoniac" is other is what's the problem, in my opinion.

There's no difference between this and that, there just is.

YMMV



ZN

[yajvan]

Hari Om
~~~~~

There's no difference between this and that, there just is.ZN

Namaste ZN,
these are wise words echoed by many a saint, yet is it with their unbounded view of the world that they see this ultimate truth.

The great Brahmarshi Gaudapada tells us the truth from his level of enlightement:
The supreme truth is this: there is no birth and no dissolution, no aspirant to liberation and no liberated, and no one who is in slavery
(Mandukyakarika, II, 32).

Now, for me, there is no reason for me to doubt this wisdom, yet I do not live it. This is from a rishi that is completely absorbed and living in turiya, a most blessed state. But to the house-holder, the sadhu that is yet to know this from the personal-experiential level , this is still the wisdom of the rishi's, all good (sattvic) and wonderful, yet not realized.

This is why it has been a joy to talk to Manuel ( from the post 'A profound experience of That' ). A 'regular guy' that is experiencing this Brahman and put his experience in simple context.

I am happy for you if you are experiencing the truth of 'It'... this is wonderful - please provide your experieces for us. Help us compare and contrast This from That.


So, as we talk of the practical side of life and its application of spiritual concepts , the Gita is there to assist - the cream of the Veda's as it is called. And in the final analysis , as you have stated there is really no duality, no demonic or divine, there is the Fullness of Brahman. All there for us to reach, understand and experience... along the way, I am in hopes we all can enjoy the ride. Thanks again for your great post.



pranams,

[willie]

So this is the discussion. Well better take a look at these dictators and perhaps that will shed some light on them .

Hitler was an elected polotician, he came to power because germany was being bled white to pay for the first world war. Inflation was so bad that you had to have a wheelbarrow full of marks to buy a loaf of bread. So hitler ran on a platform of making germany a great nation again. And what he did was rebuild the army and that put a dent in unemployment and put a lot of people to work but when that ran out he went onto taking over other countries. Mainly because when he took over the first small country no one did anything.

Stalin ran russia with and iron fist and was in league with hitler,but hitler turned on him. The germans were able to take so much of russia becasuse stalin had kill off most of the officer corp of the russian army and the germans trained with the russian army in the buddy time.

Pauo pot wanted to establish a new community so he abandoned the major cities and marched people out into the jungle to build a new civilization. Well he must not have been to smart or he would have realized that the buildings of the old city did not make people bad, they were bad to begin with. Later when he realized this he killed people by the thousands. And he died a free man in the end.

Edi amin was a sociopath who killed his way to power in africia. He used to take his chosen cabinet members to his freezer and show then the heads of those who had crossed them. A pretty effective way of keeping them in line.

The important thing is that all had their detractors and the dectractors fougth back. Eventually these schemes collapsed into the dust of history.

[yajvan]

Hari Om
~~~~~

So this is the discussion. Well better take a look at these dictators and perhaps that will shed some light on them .

Eventually these schemes collapsed into the dust of history.

Hello willie,
points well made... you are correct that 'eventually' their schemes collasped. Of this , there is no doubt. The pickle is the amount of death and grief they have brought to the family of man. And for Hilter and his men, it was made of sport. Of what constuctive use they brought I cannot see.

Hilter is the poster child for evil incarnate & Innorance Incorporated. He made the others look like Mary Popins.

Again from a spiritual perspective, these behaviors [ of tyrants and despots ] are driven by ignorance, myopic vision of reality and a bent-to-twisted ego. They could have been smart, but its the cunning-smart of a wolf looking for prey.

I hope we have seen the last of them, yet kali yuga is just gett'n warmed up.

[sm78]

There's no difference between this and that, there just is.

When there is no difference, there is no problem and no demon.
When there is a problem, there is difference and there is a obvious demon.

Only key is none are permanent either this difference and most of these experiences of unity.