Re: Start of the 'Atma'/Soul
Originally Posted by
Twilightdance
Nice argument, but we can only stop with the conclusion that every jiva needs infinite time for liberation which itself is a death blow to concept of liberation for those who can think, BUT, this does not exclude the possibility of liberation in future in finite time. I think theists in the forum are trying to make you admit that liberation is still a quest with an end in sight even if they had been at it for infinite time already with no luck
(presumably infinite cause and effects have confused them from -ve eternity till now, but with adi shankara and ramanuja clarifying things in 8th and 11th CE, the eternal cosmic puzzle is now solved and liberation achievable in a few or many finite life times) ... I say give the candy to the kids and engage in discussion with grown ups.
I must admit the fact that I was one of those who did beleive that anAdi karma theory literally. After much thought, I gave up that idea. Hoping for liberation now when that has eluded you over an infinite time is a pipe dream.
A birth is needed to acquire karmas and you take birth only if you have karmas. One has to precede the other ad infinitum for this theory to work. Much like the case of chicken and egg situation.
But in philosophy with God as sarvakAraNakAraNaM . for the first cause you don't have to go for any theories that posit anything outside God.
It is easy to attribute our first karma or birth to God and be done with it. Every thing in the cosmos happens by Divine will, why would you need to think that our first karmas are not due to his Will and due to beginningless unknown causes? Traditionalists have a problem with this first karma ( which they think makes God cruel, irrational or whatever).
Guard your Dharma, Burn the Myth, Promote the Truth, Crush the superstition.
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