What Happens After Moksha?

[hinduism♥krishna]

namaste necro ,

There is difference between jiva and atma. Veda says jiva is in atomic size and this jiva should be considered as omnipresent atma ( bramhan) . There is no question of saying atma and bramh are one thing. Because we can not equate same thing?

Atma appears as jiva and this appearance is also not the reality. I already have said that the atma is omnipresent , ever free from maya .The real fact is that atma has no bondage nor liberation. All are mind's game.

Hare Krishna !

[smaranam]

praNAm HLK and Necromancer

Thank You both.

Appearing of bramh in bodies is also illusion

Wow. Interesting. Bramhan is like the hidden ghee (cause) in homogenized milk, as well as the milk (appearance,effect) OR like the Sun that is "overhead" no matter where you go. There is no box called jiva, it is a transformation/appearance of Bramhan itself, like a wave.

So, when Shri KRshNa says,
BG 10.20 aham AtmA guDAkesha jiva-bhutAshaya sthita
aham Adischa madhyascha bhUtAnAm antameva cha

Meaning of Ashay :
http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?s...a&direction=AU
heart, mind, place, seat of feelings and toughts, receptacle, fate, shelter, asylum, intent, thought, virtue, property, meaning, subject...

I am the AtmA, O GuDAkesha, that is present
- in the creatures' heart
- at the seat (root?) of feelings and thoughts
- within the creature (where creature is asylum => My reflector medium)
- as the fate of creatures
- as the cause of motive and intention
- as the cause of all [apparant] material properties (gross and subtle)

As it happened the other day, I was only wondering how the Jiva(atman) could actually be incased in a body? even in a spiritual Kosha? (not in the physical body) because if the 'biggest thing in the
universe' could be put in a container, wouldn't the container then be the biggest thing in the universe?

The Lord says He is also smaller/subtler than the smallest/subtlest. In that sense, the infinite ghee/entire Sun cannot be ALL entirely in the local milk / a body / anandmay kosha. It is just that this mass-ghee is ONE that cannot be seperated owing to spatial positioning of matter
(avibhaktam cha bhuteshu vibhaktamiva cha sthitam - bg13.16).

However, we can say that this Bramhan-Ghee is in the illusory-you and illusory-me because it appears to pervades both. Bramhan-me bats an eyelid/sings to Bramhan-GovindA only by the mercy of Bramhan-GovindA.

You are suggesting that Bramhan-ghee delegates that (activation of sentience) to His OWN MAyA (which is again inseperable from Bramhan), rather than Himself/Itself entering the illusory jiva-box.

Actually there is no box. Bramhan Itself has BECOME ALL THIS,
table chair you me we
Gopa Gopi kadamba tree
cows butterfly bumblebee...

Also, it is not that the entire Sun stuffs itself into the jIva-bhUta.
Just as I am VishNu among Aditya, liquidity in water, chetanA (sentience) in bhUta (creatures), similarly I am the AtmA in/at/behind the jiva-bhUta.

Now for a devotional perspective:
The other day on the Bramhan thread I said Bramhan is like the horizon.
He appears to make us walk and walk and walk to touch the Horizon that is Him but His heart melts in no time and comes running to "get caught"

Thanks!

_/\_
om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~

P.S.
(The question was raised because I saw a distinction in this explanation -
jiva = AtmA/Bramhan whereas God = manifestation of ParaBramhan
I know what you mean, though.)

[smaranam]

I was just thinking out loud over what the two of you said. Comments welcome.

[Necromancer]

I was just thinking out loud over what the two of you said. Comments welcome.

Namaste,

No, I like your thinking out loud....a TOL is just as good as LOL.

You are suggesting that Bramhan-ghee delegates that (activation of sentience) to His OWN MAyA (which is again inseperable from Bramhan), rather than Himself/Itself entering the illusory jiva-box.

Yes, that's an interesting way to put it, if one really had to explain it...

I got over that and understood it now. The whole encompasses each 'part' even though the parts, themselves are all illusion/MAyA.

There are no 'parts' in a whole comprised of them, as explained by "Om Purnamadah, Purnamidam..." because the notion of a whole having any 'parts' of it, is still dualistic theory.

So, I was stuck in the illusory 'jiva box'.

Thanks for your replies and thoughts - keep thinking out loud.

Aum Namah Shivaya