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    Arrow who is lord krishna according to advaita theory ?

    Hari hari govinda.
    Namaste advaitians.

    I believe advaita is the most authentic dharma.Because it is purely based on vedas. I know lord krishna is the image, embodiment of parabramhan.

    but From advaita pvf, i would like to know who is krishna?

    What upanishadas say about lord krishna?

    I hope someone intelligent advaitian will answer it according to upanishadas.

    Hari govinda.
    Hari On!

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    Re: who is lord krishna according to advaita theory ?

    Quote Originally Posted by hinduism♥krishna View Post
    What upanishadas say about lord krishna?

    I hope someone intelligent advaitian will answer it according to upanishadas.

    Hari govinda.
    Namaste,

    I am not the Intelligent Advaitin you are looking for, but untill they come along,

    What Upanishads say about Bramhan is all about KRshNa, because Shri KRshNa is Bramhan, but that is not COMPLETE info about KRshNa. Take it in conjunction with what KRshNa says about Himself in Bhagavad Gita and Shrimad BhAgavatam (not just Uddhav Gita, the whole thing - Canto 1,2,3 especially), and put two and two together.

    Plus, in addition, I shall list the following Upanishad names so you can find them, read the sanskrit, read the translation and see for yourself:

    1. GopAL TApani Upanishad
    http://www.dharmakshetra.com/articles/gopal%20tapani%20meditation%20page%202.htm
    Download Sanskrit-English http://vishnudut1926.blogspot.in/2013/06/gopala-tapani-upanishad-english.html#!/2013/06/gopala-tapani-upanishad-english.html) OR find your own copy

    2. NArAyaNa Upanishad
    3. Kali SantarNa Upanishad
    4. MahA-NArAyaNa Upanishad
    5. NRsiMha TApani Upanishad
    6. Mandukya Upanishad starts with HARI IS AUM, which is everything there is...

    om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya


    Hare RAm Hare RAm RAma RAma Hare Hare
    Hare KRshNa Hare KRshNa KRshNa KRshNa Hare Hare
    Last edited by smaranam; 09 July 2013 at 04:17 AM.
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    Atharva Veda (Gopala-tapani Upanishad 1.24)
    yo brahmanam vidadhati purvam yo vai vedams ca gapayati sma krsnah:
    "It was Krishna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past

    Narayana Upanishad (1)
    "atha puruso ha vai narayano 'kamayata prajah srjeyeti:
    'Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living entities.'

    narayanad brahma jayate, narayanad prajapatih prajayate, narayanad indro jayate, narayanad astau vasavo jayante, narayanad ekadasa rudra jayante, narayanad dvadasadityah:
    'From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana the patriarchs are also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the twelve Adityas are born.'

    Narayana Upanishad (4)
    "brahmanyo devaki-putrah:
    The son of Devaki, Krishna, is Bramhan.'
    eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni-somau neme dyav-aprthivi na naksatrani na suryah
    In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Ishan, no water, no fire, no moon, no heaven and earth, no stars in the sky, no sun.'
    Last edited by smaranam; 09 July 2013 at 05:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smaranam
    Mandukya Upanishad starts with HARI IS AUM, which is everything there is...
    Mandukya doesn't start with hari is om.
    It starts with " All is aum and this atma is bramhan."


    hari om krishna
    Hari On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinduism♥krishna View Post
    Mandukya doesn't start with hari is om.

    hari om krishna
    You are right. It starts like this:

    aum ity etad akṣaram idam sarvam, tasyopavyākhyānam
    bhūtam bhavad bhaviṣyad iti sarvam auṁkāra eva
    yac cānyat trikālātītaṁ tad apy auṁkāra eva.


    1. OM! – This Imperishable Word is the whole of this visible universe. Its explanation is as follows: What has become, what is becoming, what will become, – verily, all of this is OM. And what is beyond these three states of the world of time, – that too, verily, is OM.


    HOWEVER, out of their love for Hari OR their need to depend on Hari, many many like 'advaitayoga.org' have translated the first verse like this:

    Harih Aum! AUM, the word, is all this, the whole universe. A clear explanation of it is as follows: All that is past, present and future is, indeed, AUM. And whatever else there is, beyond the threefold division of time—that also is truly AUM.

    REF: http://www.advaitayoga.org/advaitayo.../mandukya.html


    These are followers of Shankara's Advaita saluting Hari! They see no difference between Hari and Aum when Aum (Shabda Bramhan) has actually emerged from Hari acc. to Hari Himself in the Bhagavad Gita.

    I think www.krishna.com did the same, like these common translations, and I picked that up from Krishna.com without checking the sanskrit. Sorry about that.

    O Hari, chitta-hAri, karuNA-kAri, KRshNa MurAri! To me the MANDukya Upanishad is a manifestation of You Alone.
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    yes, hari is om, om is bramhan and bramhan is atma(tattva).
    All these is only bramhn or atma. These seperate individuality of jeevas are indeed false.Jivas are not real.Only atma or bramhan is the truth, eternal with infinite bliss.
    Hari On!

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    Namste,
    plz dont post iskcons translation. Their translations are not authentic and accurate.They intentionally make changes in original verses and rewrite it af if verses support gaudiya philosophy

    Gaudiya vaishnwas who say krishna is higher than bramhan are not liable to study upanishadas.Because upanishadas say there is nothing beyond bramhan.But iskcon are against upanishadas.It is out of vedic sanatana dharma.

    He(atma) is the lord of all , omniscient, the controller and indweller of all ,the origin and dissolution of all beings and cause of all (mandukya 6)

    In fact atma by itself is one undivided whole.But he appears as macrocosmic or microcosmic by producing the phenomina the time, space and causation within himself by his maya shakti.So differentiation in atma is only phenomenal and not real.

    I dont consider om emerges from something.Because om is bramhan itself and it is the fourth state.

    amatrash chaturtho. Avyavaharyah prapanchopashamah shivo. advaita
    evam onkara atmaiva samvishaty Atmana.a.Atmanam ya evam veda ..
    12..

    That which has no parts ,incomprehensible (with the aid of sense organs), the cessation of all phenomena, all bliss and non-dual AUM, is the fourth and verily the same as Atman . He who knows this merges his self into the Cosmic Self. (He never again feels he is an individual self).



    There are no more quarters. When you go beyond the three quarters, the three states of A, U, and M, then you reach chaturtha , the fourth one, turiya . This state is pure consciousness,beyond Isvara. The gross universe is then gone. The dream universe is gone. All universes, all diversities, all dualities, are gone. You are in the state of suddha chaitanya turiya and there is only your Self, Atman .


    Hari krishna govinda
    Hari On!

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    Re: who is lord krishna according to advaita theory ?

    hari o
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    namast


    If one were to study the chāndogya upanisad you will find a most interesting revelation in the 3rd chapter, 17th section , 6th śloka.

    iti śiva
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

    _

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    Question Re: who is lord krishna according to advaita theory ?

    Hari om, Namaste.

    I was expecting replies from advaitians. But sadly they are not active here.
    This topic can become very interesting, krishna and bramhan

    Bramhan takes saguna roop for his beloved devotees with the help of maya. Although bramhan is nirvikar and nirguna, he pleases the hearts of pure devotees by his atma-maya ( according to Bhagavad Gita) ,
    He came in contact with maya yet he is unattached from maya and Controller of it.( also it is mysterious that krishna form is also eternal)
    Krishna is poorna avatara of bramhan.
    ( I was expecting something like this)

    Hari om govinda
    Hari On!

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