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    Re: Question about the 4th principle in ISCKON

    bhaAvanA = reflection ?

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    Re: Question about the 4th principle in ISCKON

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna
    Namaste,

    I do not "think" it is possible, i know this.

    For a note, process in question is not "thinking of the Lord," but bhAvanA. There is no exact english equilavent, but in any case it isn't a thought process.

    couldn't bhAvanA be translated to 'feeling'?
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    Re: Question about the 4th principle in ISCKON

    Quote Originally Posted by grames
    If you come from the philosophies of OSHO etc.. it is very difficult to differentiate the meaning of 'regulation' from restriction. As a six sensed living, you can 'regulate' your urges and as you progress spiritually this regulation itself is not necessary as you will not have taste for such sense gratification.

    If your mind is so developed and you can think of Lord even when you are actively participating in a sexual union, then you don't require this 'regulation' and if this cannot be achived, then your excuses of justifying it as "God" given and God created won't stand. Do you think it is possible to achive such state?

    So, when you are a beginner , follow these regulative process by engaging with only one partner who is married to you and committed to you. Mind is like a monkey and with out regulation you cannot anchor it and with out anchoring it at the feet of Lord you will not progress. Whether it is Sri Vaishnava or Advaita or any hindu traditions, the ultimate prescription is to master all the senses and absorb all completely with and for Lord. If the goal is not understood, these regulations might sound unhealthy but it is not against Dharma.

    It seems to me that attachment to regulation or restriction is equally as distracting as attachment to whatever that regulation or restriction concerns.

    "Without lust for result" comes to mind.

    In my opinion, there can be an argument made for extreme indulgence to the point of disinterest as a means for regulation if not restriction!

    Balance of the polarities, or if one prefers, unification of the duality .. is the means as or more important than the goal of integration of the multiplicity into the ONE?

    Namaste,
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    Post Re: Question about the 4th principle in ISCKON

    Quote Originally Posted by satay
    couldn't bhAvanA be translated to 'feeling'?
    Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon gives:
    3 bhAvana 2 mf(%{I})n. (fr. Caus. ; for 1. see 2. %{bhA4} p. 750) causing to be , effecting , producing , displaying , manifesting MBh. Ka1v. BhP. ; promoting or effecting any one's (gen. or comp.) welfare MBh. R. &c. ; imagining , fancying , Asht2a1vS. ; teaching MBh. ; m. a creator , producer , efficient MBh. Ka1v. ; N. of S3iva (= %{dhyAtR}) MBh. ; of Vishn2u A. ; of the 22nd Kalpa (q.v.) ; (%{A}) f. and n. the act of producing or effecting Nir. Sa1h. BhP. ; forming in the mind , conception , apprehension , imagination , supposition , fancy , thought , meditation (%{bhAvanayA} ind , in thought , in imagination ; %{-nAm-bandh} , with loc. , to occupy one's imagination with , direct one's thoughts to) MBh. Ka1v. S3am2k. Veda7ntas. &c. ; (in logic) that cause of memory which arises from direct perception Tarkas. ; application of perfumes &c. (= %{adhivAsana}) L. ; (%{A}) f. demonstration , argument , ascertainment Ya1jn5. ; feeling of devotion , faith in (loc.) Pan5cat. ; reflection , contemplation (5 kinds with Buddhists MWB. 128) ; saturating any powder with fluid , steeping , infusion S3a1rn3gS. ; (in arithm.) finding by combination or composition ; (with Jainas) right conception or notion ; the moral of a fable HParis3. ; N. of an Upanishad ; a crow L. ; water L. ; n. furthering , promoting MBh. ; the fruit of Dillenia Speciosa L. ; (ifc.) nature , essence Ra1matUp.

    Technical meaning of bhAvanA (bhAvana) in Tantras is a kinda fusion of meditation, feeling, intention, will, love, devotion and reflection. Exact equivalent in european languages is unknown to me.

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