Lets Meditate The Right Way

[smaranam]

SAdhanA chatushTaya http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...&postcount=163
Viveka chuDAmaNi?

KRshNa the merciful has made some of the things you have listed (hunger sleep shukh-dukh dvanda that KRshNa lists in Gita) possible to some extent. I tend to live with lowest common denominator of dependance on material resources and people that I can.

praNAm _/\_

[Necromancer]

Namaste.

For me, this discussion has reached conclusion.

There's nothing left to ponder that has not been pondered, nothing left to say that has not been said, nothing left to feel that has not been felt and nothing left to understand that has not been understood.

So, I am just going to go off and worship Siva now.

A Dream Within A Dream

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow-
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep- while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?

- Edgar Allen Poe

Aum Namah Shivaya

[smaranam]

SAdhanA chatushTaya 1. Discrimination 2. Dispassion 3. Discipline 4. Desirelessness
Is this it? Viveka chuDAmaNi?

Where did that come from?
Here is the real list.
viveka,
vairAgya,
shat-sampatti (shama, dama, uparati, tiTikshA, samAdhAna, shraddhA)
mumukshatva

- Source: Viveka ChuDAmaNi by AdiShankarAchArya

This Essay by Swami Shivananda explains the 4
http://elmisattva-nonduality.blogspo...-means-of.html

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[smaranam]

we will continue ...

Please continue

[silence_speaks]

Lets briefly summarize:

1. Its important solve the reason why mind is non-meditative , rather than bringing back the mind to meditative state again and again. Most methods concentrate on the first: techniques to bring back the mind to meditative-ness. While I said, its more important to correct the reasons why mind has a tendency to get into a non-meditative state and correct those reasons.

2. I emphasized that I am not denying or rejecting any method of meditation ... rather I am just giving those methods their appropriate place.

3. I also made it a point to explain that "Peace" should not be used as a "Measurement" of success in meditation. Because ... whenever I try to "Counter" a habit pattern or addiction ... i wont feel peaceful... and yet , countering these addictions is a must for growing in meditative-ness.

Now lets see a simple "Technique" [and being a technique its limited in scope ... but gives us some interesting clues to be discussed further] to master the mind ... a simple experiment lets say ...

[silence_speaks]

AN EXPERIMENT:
So , here is an experiment . The first practice ... technique ... I am suggesting ...

Do Not Pacify The Mind

This is my favourite [posted from an earlier article]

When mind "Demands" something, and we do not find a need to "Fulfill" its demands ... one discovers a new freedom.
Ignore !

So lets take simple cases. Suppose i am not habituated to waking up early.
And I wake up early. Knowing fully well that there will be a mental demand for more sleep.

what happens ? mind demands more sleep, i do not heed ! I do not allow the mind to sleep either, i remain alert.

What happens ?

We can be intelligent not to over do this because we use the mind and the body and don't want them to fall sick.
but the point is this: the mind cannot be allowed to "Command" us.

Find out where mind seems to be "commanding" and every such situation ... intentionally get into it and remain un-heeding.
The mind loses its capacity to demand / command.

NOTE:
We want to only make sure mind loses its capacity to command ... we do not definitely want to fall sick.
usually "i feel like this", "I do not like this" etc seem to rule our lives.
the mind says "i like to eat now" and if we do not eat the mind starts "if u do not eat now, this sensation will continue", "i do not want this sensation of hunger" etc ... and one simply has to ignore that talk of mind.

i used to have this habit of eating nut powder. And one day i decided not to eat. I have to take the nut powder packet [crane] while going to office as it is not available anywhere near my office. so while going i did not take and mind said "you will regret this in the afternoon", "you will feel very uncomfortable" and it even reminded me of the "Feeling" and i simply saw "Awareness cannot be affected by anything" and remained. The mind jumped a few times and then its gone. Mind threatens ! If i get threatened it means i have taken myself to be the mind ! Remaining as Awareness , one simply remains a mute witness without seeing any need to react to all those thoughts.

This can be tested with food we do not like or even situations we do not appreciate. Everywhere, mind has to be made a subordinate.


Love!
Silence