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    God in Hindu Dharma

    praNAm

    This is GOD IN HINDU DHARMA

    om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~
    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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    Re: God in Hindu Dharma

    Quote Originally Posted by smaranam View Post
    praNAm

    This is GOD IN HINDU DHARMA

    om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~
    Namaste smaranam.

    Are you quite okay there? what happened?

    Nah, I know what happened there.

    All one can say about that is...

    HAR HAR MAHADEV!!!

    Aum Namah Shivaya

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    Smaranam ji,

    Possessed with divine intoxication for Vasudeva....? He is a 'chor', he has taken away your heart!!!
    jai hanuman gyan gun sagar jai kapis tihu lok ujagar

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    Would someone let God know that the butter in my household has suddenly gone missing? I have no idea who could have taken it....
    Philosoraptor

    "Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something." - Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    Would someone let God know that the butter in my household has suddenly gone missing? I have no idea who could have taken it....
    Govinda must be why the butter went 'govinda'!! ('Govinda' also is used to refer to something that has gone missing...).
    jai hanuman gyan gun sagar jai kapis tihu lok ujagar

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    The heart went "GovindA!" years ago. In the material jagat, a thief will not be back in the same locality after a theft, out of fear of getting caught. With GovindA it is just the opposite.

    If you spot GovindA in one corner of town and then read the headlines - that butter has gone "GovindA!" in another corner, I can understand the phenomenon.
    However, the thing is, the same ParaBramhan is here since yesterday as GaNesh

    Regarding the butter from Philosoraptor's house, letting God know would be too naiive IMHO.
    First, the butter goes "GovindA!"
    Then you lodge a complaint in the court of ... Who? Isn't that our GOVINDA ? but I thought we were in Parameshwar's court. Wait a minute... GovindA is Parameshwar (God) ?! If you go to Vraja and report this no one will believe you. At least YashodA wouldn't...

    GOVINDA!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smaranam View Post
    praNAm

    This is GOD IN HINDU DHARMA

    om namo bhagavate vAsudevAya ~
    Namaste

    If this is God in Hindu Dharma, then wow! It makes one wonder, if the devas look like obviously realized beings to you, if not Parameshwar, and if you see Parameshwar-BhagavAn when you look into their eyes, where is the question of any secondary consciousness such as the jiva of a deva?

    If you don't see the Supreme Lord or Supreme Bramhan there but just one specific deva, then I have no more questions. However, if you do, then
    would you say that

    a) the jiva of the deva has temporarily stepped aside just because you-the-devotee wants to see the Supreme Lord

    b) the Supreme Lord is here in the concrete form that a group wants to see but is really just Him, the transcendental, sacchidAnanda Dearest suRhut (friend)

    c) the Supreme ParaBramhan is one thing to you and He reveals Himself to you as you have known and experienced Him, and as something else (more conventional) to others. i.e. there is really no 'anya' when it comes to devatas, it is just that the same ParaBramhan Parameshwar reveals and hides elements of Himself per devotee, place, occasion. This is what the various forms are, even if each seems to play a very specific role.

    d) you are a jnAni and it is already too late to participate in the game. So Parameshwar gives up and surrenders into *your* arms. Yes, you heard that right. *He* gives up and *He* surrenders into your arms.

    I would go with c and d, and to some extent b. If the jiva of the deva (if at all it exists) can step aside, it means the deva is none other than Bramhan. i.e. Bramhan took the form of this deva. Therefore I do not choose a) any more.

    It was all very mystical in a way. For the first time two mock-pillars with translucent curtains tied neatly made the VaikuNTha-like entrance to where GaNesh sat - wearing yellow pitAmbar, not red, wearing a vaijayanti haar. I failed to see two deities there, sorry. Just ONE. THE ONE...

    BG 4.11 ye yathā māṁ prapadyante
    tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham
    mama vartmānuvartante
    manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ



    As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.

    _/\_
    Last edited by smaranam; 23 September 2013 at 06:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smaranam View Post
    c) the Supreme ParaBramhan is one thing to you and He reveals Himself to you as you have known and experienced Him, and as something else (more conventional) to others i.e. there is really no 'anya' when it comes to devatas, it is just that the same ParaBramhan Parameshwar reveals and hides elements of Himself per devotee, place, occasion. This is what the various forms are, even if each seems to play a very specific role.
    What I mean is, if you are in front of say HanumAn (mAruti), and tell yourself "this is HanumAnji, a pure devotee, our guru and the protector that KRshNa sent for me in His absence"
    then He will be HanumAn to you and if you are a lady, He will say "mAte..." if you are a man He will say "bandhu..."
    However, if you challenge Him, will the rAm-sevak step aside?

    If you are in the temple of SadAshiva (the vigraha not shiv-linga), and sadAshiva is an intimate friend of KRshNa to you, then you look at Him as just that, and He will not interfere.
    However, say you are at home and not a temple, and expected to see KRshNa in meditation but see this sadAshiva when you had never dreamt of Him ever, He could very well fool you that they are two forms of the same - that this form is [one of] the answer(s) to "more about" that form.
    Later on, your consciousness changes and you do not take that without a grain of salt and he will say, fine. Will not disturb your consciousness again.

    This is what KRshNa and the scriptures repeatedly call "pRthak pRthak bhAv" (Gita and Bhagvatam say the consciousness that sees the same sacchidAnanda is sAttvic, that sees pRthak pRthak - different beings, is rAjasic, and that sees the opposite of what reality is as tAmasic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smaranam View Post
    This is what KRshNa and the scriptures repeatedly call "pRthak pRthak bhAv" (Gita and Bhagvatam say the consciousness that sees the same sacchidAnanda is sAttvic, that sees pRthak pRthak - different beings, is rAjasic, and that sees the opposite of what reality is as tAmasic.
    Bg 18.20 — That knowledge by which one undivided spiritual nature is seen in all living entities, though they are divided into innumerable forms, you should understand to be in the mode of goodness.
    Bg 18.21 — That knowledge by which one sees that in every different body there is a different type of living entity you should understand to be in the mode of passion.
    Bg 18.22 — And that knowledge by which one is attached to one kind of work as the all in all, without knowledge of the truth, and which is very meager, is said to be in the mode of darkness.

    SB 11.25.24 — Absolute knowledge is in the mode of goodness, knowledge based on duality is in the mode of passion, and foolish, materialistic knowledge is in the mode of ignorance. Knowledge based upon Me, however, is understood to be transcendental.
    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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    Re: God in Hindu Dharma

    This is Ekanda Anubhava! The Tattavas are not merging in to One but the realization of the Bhakta here is that, He, the Only capable one is appearing as the innermost of all! ( The Antrayami Tattva - and also as binna/Vibinna amsa). Such Bhakta will only see Lord in every person, and His energy in every jada! ( The Jada part is my understanding of "sama darshana" for a Prema Bhakta alone)

    Your post i believe is communicating that essence!

    Hare Krshna!

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