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    Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Namaste HDF,

    I was at a loss for words after reading this news item. You can read the full story from this link, how ever the highlighted portion(s) and the researcher identity has got lot to say.

    I see this as a direct attack on Hindu practices and beliefs.

    Holy smoke arising from Hindu funeral pyres, Muslim cemeteries and Buddhist temples are responsible for almost a quarter of the greenhouse gases blamed for global warming on the Indian subcontinent and the melting of the Himalayan glaciers, a new study has claimed.
    Researchers have long suspected that the rituals of religious devotion in India, Nepal and South Asia, may be a factor in the level of brown carbon and soot which pollutes the air in the region, but until now little work has been done to quantify the size of the problem.
    Between 2011 and 2012, the researchers measured emissions from marriage ceremonies, funeral cremations, incense sticks in temples and graveyards, and found mango bark, cow dung, camphor, leaves, vermillion, and cow urine being burned.
    "There are three million religious places of worship in India alone and over 10 million marriages take place every year in this country according to the 2011 census.

    "When these results were multiplied to fit these scales, the quantum of emissions was just baffling," researcher Shamsh Pervez said.
    Anirudh...

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    Namaste Anirudh,

    Anyone who doubts this is politically/religiously motivated should visit
    the researcher's facebook page (scroll down a bit)- and also note that
    non-biased research shows the origin of the overwhelming majority of this
    type of pollution is from stoves used in cooking and heating-
    NOT anything religious.

    JAI MATA DI
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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Namaste JaiMaaDurga,

    non-biased research shows the origin of the overwhelming majority of this
    type of pollution is from stoves used in cooking and heating
    I don't use FB much. But since you have mentioned about that here, will definitely read his page and share my opinion.

    Thanks for sharing your views, how ever the way (including telegraph UK) media has projected this findings (if non biased) is deplorable...
    Anirudh...

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    Namaste,

    Yes, it is deplorable; Pervez was clever enough to package this
    in such a way that Western media would pick up the ball and run with it,
    playing on a combination of subconscious Western feelings of cultural
    superiority and the need for most people to at least feel concern for the
    environment.

    Therefore, Western media outlets will pass it along unchallenged, without
    caring or realizing they are helping to advance an anti-Hindu agenda.

    I am not prone to posting in political threads, relishing conspiracy theories,
    or being particularly fond of nationalism or extremism of any stripe; yet, the
    timing as well as the content of this press release, combined with the
    less-than-carefully-hidden leanings of Pervez, cannot help but strike me
    as being something other than "a diligent, objective researcher simply trying
    to help reduce air pollution", etc.

    Yes, burning things is bad for the air; yet, how many Hindus are responsible
    for the demand for beef and leather? This demand is this biggest culprit
    in the loss of an average of 20,000 square miles per year of the Amazon
    rainforest, nicknamed "the lungs of the earth" for its enormous role in
    absorbing carbon dioxide and supplying oxygen. The rainforest is cleared by
    "slash and burn" to make the land suitable for cattle ranches. This adds
    more CO2 to the atmosphere than all the world's trucks, cars, trains,
    planes, and ships COMBINED.

    Perhaps if one wants to point fingers for melting glaciers, the accurate
    direction might be toward those that cannot live without their Big Macs or
    leather jackets.

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    Namaste

    No one knows the exact reasons for "global" warming and cooling (actually there are some indications we are going to be entering a period of increasing severe winters and cooling in the years soon coming), but space exploration is suggesting the warming cycle of this century isn't isolated to the earth planet but was occuring on other planets as well thus suggesting these cycles are more to do with natural cycles of the solar system and not man made.

    For example from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey we found the carbon dioxide ice caps near Mar's South Pole have been retreating for three consecutive summers. We find that the surface temperatures on Venus have risen from an average of 470° to 513°.

    There is simply no way that carbon emissions here are effecting these other planets. The solar system, our universe, the billions of universes, are spinning like cakras, there are cycles of things that spin and spin far beyond our understanding and is all normal.

    Solar storms deep in the sun, which is not by the way exactly the same as solar flares (those firey arm flares that project out from the sun like burning threads and also have cycles), can also be a contributor when analyzed, but again just because patterns of solar storms match some earth cycles does not mean these storms are causing these cycles, because the solar storms themselves may be signs of a greater set of circumstances in the clockwork of our solar system and the universe itself. Do not worship scientists and doctors, they are just humans who may wish to do a good job but are humans whose very tools we use are built by imperfect hands.

    Everything is temporary. It will come together, divide, become dust, come together again, burn up, freeze down, become very big and then very small, collapse into itself or expand suddenly outward, we do not know.

    Once Greenland was green, not an icey world. Once grapes grew there hundreds of years ago. Today it is not so nice. But it was slowly going green again, and it will ice up again. The bridge from India to Lanka was still a walkable bridge, that is until the horrific cyclone of 1480 AD. Now large portions are under water though near surface level.

    Do not fret. These things go in cycles. One thing is for sure, the burning ghats are not the cause, fire moves from here to there and only burns if there is fuel. Everything seems to consume something else to substain itself, fire is no exception, yet for some reason there is constant birth of all those other things that are consumed, it seems many things are more vast each day. We will go to other planets. We will bring our dogs with us. And somehow or other, the mouse and the rat will hitch a ride, too. On the rat will ride the flea. The flea will go to other planets. In the flea will be the black death. Some place else is awaiting a plague. But they will recover. It comes and goes. Another Ramayana is coming.

    Om Namah Sivaya

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Namaste JaiMataDi,

    Like you mentioned Pervez has cleverly packaged this stuff. Irony is, even learned Bhaarathvaasis can not see his motives.

    This (calibrated) finding could mean many things to different people but will make an illiterate poor feel inferior.

    I brought this up because forced / allured religious conversion is rampant in malnourished poorly performing north indian states. Incidentally Raipur is the capital of Chhattisgarh where this researcher seem to be working. There is no need to comment why indian paid media + western media has brought this up now....

    The first phase will be held on November 11 in 18 constituencies, while the second will see polling in the rest on November 19.
    Anirudh...

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Namaste ShivaFan,

    Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am not against science but feel sad when it is abused to promote ulterior designs.

    Kindly read my reply to JaiMataDi #6th post. Point to be noted is, in this state BJP is working hard to enact rules against forced conversion.

    If you were a poor illiterate Hindu tribal from this state, what would you feel when a missionary allures you with some gifts and these kind calibrated findings?

    Here is a link which demonstrate the extent of rampant conversion in the tribal dominated areas.
    Anirudh...

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    Namaste Anirudh, all great points you make.

    Luckily, these tricks are becoming less and less effective. In the end, no one can be "converted" in exchange for food or out of fear. They only fake it. Om Namah Sivaya

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Burning of organic materials creates soot which also absorbs more solar radiation because of its dark color... if you doubt it you can test it out by washing white and black clothes together and putting them in the dryer, the black clothes will dry at least THREE TIMES faster because of this. Its not conspiracy theory. Anything which reduces the albedo of the planet is going to increase its warming, including soot settling on ice or snow. And you can not simply look away and say "Well, they eat cows" it doesn't matter - the reduction in albedo has nothing to do with cows, it is soot.

    And I know a lot of religious people say "Well, oh well, God will save us no matter what" but no avatar or prophet of God in ANY religion ever said God said he would prevent us from making our world uninhabitable. If we do stupid things, we will have to deal with it.

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Araloka View Post
    If we do stupid things, we will have to deal with it.
    Are you saying that cremation is stupid?

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