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    Re: Alain Daniélou - While the Gods Play

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudas Paijavana View Post
    Pranam-s,

    I don't remember the full quote, but a Swedish fella [or I think he was Danish or German, I don't remember....and no...it wasn't Elst] a few years ago poked fun at Western Indologists through satire, stating that a majority of them, deep down, believe that they are descendants of those mystical "marauding, puritanical invaders". That, wherever you look, there is bound to be a deeply rooted context of either subconscious racism or eugenics. And, they are striving to either return to the days of old through appropriating those texts through a European-centric racial paradigm or honestly feel as if they are the sole, rightful authorities on translating those scriptures, especially the Rig Veda. Even Kazanas, who called them "comparativists", points to the fact that many modern Western Indologists, be it from either America or Europe, almost completely [barring a relatively few]disregard native, Indian historians and Sanskritists, seeing them as either "quacks" or "Hindutvadins". Unfortunately, Indologists are prone to attacking each other through ad hominem all the time (e.g., George Thomson called Elst a Hindutvadin and Elst called George Thomson a racist; Kazanas calls out Witzel all the freakin' time; Witzel literally insults David Frawley as if it's his mission from God [whose God? I don't know..]). So, credibility is one of their biggest worries, I'm guessing, especially when one of them, Doniger, is obsessed with using a sex-related perspective when it comes to analyzing anything and everything that is Indic. <---- Don't forget, it's later published as unquestionable fact. To question them would mean to be labelled as a Hindutvadin.
    namaste sudAs,
    They're probably not calling you a quack, they're probably misspelling hindutvavAdI as "hindutvAdI" (vAdI is the prathama vibhakti of the prAtipadika vAdin which in this case means advocator and hindutva is the ideology of hinduness, as you already know). Hence, hindutvavAdI simply means an advocator of hinduness, and while some hindutvavAdI-s are hindu nationalists, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are quacks. If anyone's a quack, it's people like Michael Witzel.
    For example look at his view of people from uttar pradesh (cough...racist...cough):

    Or how his lackey, Steve Farmer supports an individual named Benjamin Marsh who proudly refers to himself as the coordinator of the "Dalit Freedom Network," which from a quick Wikipedia search, seems to be an Evangelical Christian group:

    From the above, it certainly seems that the Indologists who come up with these claims of you being a hindutvavAdI have their own very evident biases (and are hence hypocritical) and would probably not be considered "scholarly" if they were in any other field. Of course, it's fashionable to spit on Hindus, so it doesn't really matter if an Indologist makes racist comments or is in cahoots with an anti-Hindu group. I recommend you don't take their comments to heart.

    Kind regards (and may lord Jeebus bless all anti-Hindu Indologists on the path of converting these "tribal, heathen Hindoos" and turning them away from their "filthy, idolatrous vedŭs and pooranŭs" [1]),
    Jaskaran

    jai shrI kR^iShNa!

    [1] In case you're wondering, I was alluding to the writing style of a "scholarly" 19th-century Christian corpse-worshiper (who was also a missionary and an Indologist) by the name of William Ward; here's a sample of his "scholarly work" if you're interested:

    Last edited by Jaskaran Singh; 08 December 2013 at 01:31 PM.
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    May your pA~nchajanya shankha which reverberates on the battlefield, last thousands upon thousands of years...
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    Re: Alain Daniélou - While the Gods Play

    Jaskaran,

    You think that's bad?

    Check this out:

    "Among the most despicable of prudish missionaries was a dogmatic French priest named Honor Laval, who managed to nearly wipe out the entire Mangareva culture of French Polynesia in the mid-19th century. When he and his fellow clergymen first set foot onto the Gambier Islands in January, 1834, the free-spirited Mangarevans (whom, Laval assured the bishops in Bordeaux, were ignorant pagans seething with lasciviousness and therefore in desperate need of salvation) numbered at over nine thousand. After a few short decades of his unbridled theocratic rule on the islands, in which he banished anyone who dared to question his sacred cause, it numbered at just a few hundred. During this time, Laval destroyed every last Mangarevan idol and artifact and replaced the ancient temples with cathedrals and convents. The latter he stocked with young native women, whom he saw as being especially vulnerable to the Devil’s lewd temptations. Instead of swimming bare-chested in the azure waters of the archipelago as their ancestors had done since time immemorial, they could now only wander aimlessly along the convent halls while fingering their rosaries, draped in the suffocating habits of old French nuns....

    ....Lazal’s religious tyranny ended in 1871, when a traveling merchant doing business on the islands, shocked by the conditions he saw, smuggled word of the priest’s isolated demagogic regime to the governor in Tahiti. When a special French envoy finally liberated the Mangarevans that year, two little native boys were said to have stumbled out of Laval’s overflowing prison, explaining that they’d been ordered jailed by the priest for the grievous offence of having giggled during Mass."


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    Last edited by Sudas Paijavana; 08 December 2013 at 05:52 AM.

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