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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Just to emphasize what the author at Mahapashupatastra.blogspot.com has cited as reference from 'Rama Rahasya Upanishad' to show Srimathi Sita Devi to be none other than Sri Lalitha Tripura Sundari (Kamakshi):

    The next verse speaks about Sita Devi as follows.

    "raamaabhiraamaa.n saundaryasiimaa.n somaavata.nsikaam.h
    paashaa~NkushadhanurbaaNadharaa.n dhyaayettrilochanaam.h " (Rama Rahasya Upanishad Ch 2, Verse 33)
    "I worship the three eyed one, Who is Abhirama, the pinnacle of beauty,
    Who wears the crescent as ear ring, And who holds the noose, the goad, the bow and the arrow".

    ...Sita is called as the one holding noose (pasha), Goad (Ankusha), bow (Dhanush), Arrow (Baanam). What can be a greater proof of Sita being equated with Lalita better than this verse?.
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Namaste Viraja,

    This type of thinking (of analyzing Shri Ram to be a mix of Vishnu and Shiva tattwas) is not really new. you

    i) Some people have opined that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna being poornavataras, must have been present even before their manifestation on this earth, and not really just as Sri Vishnu, but present in their own unique identity.

    ii) If you analyze the name of Sri Rama, you can find that it is called the Thaaraka mantra and is a combination of Namasivaya mantra and the Om Namo Narayanaya maha mantra thereby representing the merger of Shiva and Narayana.
    As you are making few points here, could you share the links for the same so as to understand it clearly.
    Anirudh...

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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Namaste Anirudh,

    I came across point #1 while I was researching on Rama nama somewhere. I cannot find the reference now, but will provide it once I have come upon it.

    Point #2 regarding Rama nama can be found anywhere. For example, in this reference, look for the paragraph that says, "Since it is a combination of the two important mantras-Panchakshar and Astakshar, ’Ra’ is taken from ‘Oam’ Nama Narayanaya and MA from the ‘Om’ Nama Sivaya. In Rama Rahasya Upanishad it is explained when these letters are removed from these two mantras they not only lose their primary meaning, but give the opposite meaning. Therefore it is an admitted fact that Rama Mantra is very powerful."
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Namaste,

    I have been having spiritual experiences, granted by Sri Rama since my 38th year. I know this will be cause for disbelief for many/all, and I do not insist on anyone believing it. However it has been revealed to me that Sri Sita devi is indeed Kamakshi Amman, and that is the reason why, when I first saw the work at Mahapashupatastra.blogspot.com where the author said the same thing, I jumped up with joy. Now I have what Adi Shankara addresses about Kamakshi calling her as Sita and Rama Rahasya Upanishad as references.

    When anyone has a spiritual experience, they naturally have a tendency to explore/know all about it. And that is why I raised this topic now, because as stated above, I have 2 instances of proofs relating to the fact/idea that Srimathi Sita devi is Kamakshi (Lalitha).

    I would like to urge that owing to this reason, I would welcome anyone having any further insight on this regard to post on this thread or write to me.

    Thanks.

    PS: I had, in the OP, cited the message written by one Mr. PVR Narasimha Rao, wherein he says Sri Rama is Shiva tattwa + Vishnu tattwa and Sri Krishna is Vishnu tattwa + Shakti tattwa. I found one more small reference for the fact about Sri Krishna:

    From: http://www.shivashakti.com/tripura.htm

    These five flowery arrows together with the bow are personified as six Krishnas or Kamadevas. V84 of ch xxiv of Tantrarajatantra states that Lalita assumed a male form as Krishna, and 'by enveloping all women enchanted the whole world'. Each of the six forms is like dawn, with six arms, holding flute, noose, goad, sugarcane bow, flowers, sour milk.
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja View Post
    Namaste,

    I have been having spiritual experiences, granted by Sri Rama since my 38th year. I know this will be cause for disbelief for many/all, and I do not insist on anyone believing it. However it has been revealed to me that Sri Sita devi is indeed Kamakshi Amman, and that is the reason why, when I first saw the work at Mahapashupatastra.blogspot.com where the author said the same thing, I jumped up with joy. Now I have what Adi Shankara addresses about Kamakshi calling her as Sita and Rama Rahasya Upanishad as references.

    When anyone has a spiritual experience, they naturally have a tendency to explore/know all about it. And that is why I raised this topic now, because as stated above, I have 2 instances of proofs relating to the fact/idea that Srimathi Sita devi is Kamakshi (Lalitha).
    Namaste Viraja di,

    Happy to hear that you are having spiritual experiences. Spiritual experiences are always real and true. We have to trust them. Sometimes we do not know what it actually means, hence exploration is natural. However, this experience happened when you didnt expect it to happen, there was no planning. In spirituality, there is no planning. No one knows what is going to happen next. Hence certain answers are also given in future. When? we do not know, but truth will be revealed as per Ishvara's wish in some way or the other.

    Best is to be open and leave it to the Lord

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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Namaste

    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja
    This type of thinking (of analyzing Shri Ram to be a mix of Vishnu and Shiva tattwas) is not really new.
    I would like to mention that we had on this issue a comprehensive discussion in another thread: post #193 and forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja
    i) Some people have opined that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna being poornavataras, must have been present even before their manifestation on this earth, and not really just as Sri Vishnu, but present in their own unique identity.
    ...
    My understanding is that though Sri Shiva and Sri Vishnu are equals, they are not exactly the 'same'. This is spoken in the sense, there exist in the cosmos, 2 unique identities of deities, one as Sri Shiva and another as Sri Vishnu.
    Vaishnava understanding is that all forms of Lord Vishnu (Vishnu tattva forms) are eternal forms of God who eternally reside in Vaikuntha.
    According to Gaudiya vaishnavas there is one form of Lord Shiva called Sadasiva. He is also one of Vishnu tattva forms, and thus He is also eternal form of God Vishnu, ie He is identical to Lord Vishnu. We can even say He is Lord Vishnu Himself.
    Note here that no distinction is made between Vishnu tattva (category of Lord Vishnu) and Shiva tattva (category of Lord Shiva, ie Sadasiva) since it is assumed that they are from the same Vishnu tattva category.
    Also note that according to Gaudiya vaishnavas there is another Lord Shiva who is not Vishnu tattva, who is different from Lord Sadasiva. This Lord Shiva is guna avatara Lord Shiva. He is one of 3 guna avataras known as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. This guna avatara Lord Shiva is just a jiva soul and thus he is not the Supreme Lord.

    Now, when we say "all forms of Lord Vishnu (Vishnu tattva forms) are eternal forms of God who eternally reside in Vaikuntha" by this we mean that these forms such as Narayana, Rama, Krishna, Sadasiva, Narasimha, Balarama, Sankarshana, ... etc, they all live eternally in Vaikuntha, and sometimes they descend from Vaikuntha to this material world as avataras. The word avatara literally means "one who descends".

    It is also said that Brahman is only one, ie The Supreme entity (Brahman) is One who appears in many different personal forms. This Supreme Brahman manifested as God (the Lord) and His power (shakti) who is His eternal spouse (Goddess). Thus we have One Supreme Brahman manifested as various forms of divine couples Lakshmi Narayana, Sita Rama, Radha Krishna, Uma Sadasiva, ... etc. All these Gods and Goddesses are this single Supreme Brahman manifested in many forms. They are all Vishnu tattva category.
    However there are other gods and goddesses who do not belong to this Vishnu tattva category. So they are not The Supreme entity (Brahman) but are jivas (jiva souls). In other thread (see my posts here: post #20 and forward) I explained that not all the gods and goddesses belong to the category of The Supreme entity (Supreme Lord or Supreme God) which is mentioned in the scriptures under the names Brahman, paramatma and Bhagavan.
    In order to understand this concept, it is of fundamental importance to understand the difference between jivas (jiva souls, individual living beings or spiritual souls) and paramatma or Supersoul (Supreme soul, Supreme Self, the Self). Vaishnava conclusion is that the individual living entity (jiva) is eternally different from the Supreme Soul (paramatma) or The Supreme Lord who exists as Supreme God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja
    It has been understood by scholars that similar to considering Sri Vishnu one with Sri Shiva, similarly Parvathi devi is considered one with Sri Lakshmi. However, it is to be noted that Sri Lakshmi (and ma Parvathi) are not necessarily 'Shakti' aka Kamakshi (Lalitha).
    Here is an excerpt from Brahma-vaivarta Purana (http://brahma-vaivarta-puranam.blogs...-complete.html) which covers some of the points that I mentioned above:

    105 “This is Sri Krsna, and this is, You, Radha. This is You, Radha and this is Sri Krsna Himself.” Neither the Vedas nor I can say this of You two. We cannot distinguish between You and say that one is different than the other. Who can say it?

    106 O mother, above the material world is the spiritual world of Vaikuntha and Goloka. O mother, as the spiritual world is eternal, so You are also eternal.

    The Supreme Brahman manifested as God (the Lord) and His power (shakti) who is His eternal spouse (Goddess).
    Srimati Radharani or Radha (consort of Lord Krishna) is said to have the same status as Her Lord because it is said that Supreme Lord although essentially one being manifests itself as two, purusha and shakti -- male and female, the Lord (God) and His spouse (Goddess) who is His power (shakti). They manifest as eternal divine couple whose relationship is unbreakable and eternal, and they are always together.

    58 Sri Radha is more dear to Me than life. Day and night She rests on My chest.

    This verse illustrates Radha and Krishna are always together.

    Now the following point about Radha and Krishna:

    107 As the living beings in all material universes are part and parcel of Lord Krsna, so You are the powers and abilities that reside within all living beings.

    108 All males are part and parcel of Lord Krsna and all females are part and parcel of You. Lord Krsna is the Supersoul present in the bodies of all conditioned souls. You are the resting place of Him.

    Compare verse 107 with Bhagavad gita 15.7 where it is said every living being is a part of Lord Krishna, and Bhagavatam 1.3.28 where it is said all the gods mentioned are Lord Krishna's parts. (See these quotes in my post: post #62).

    In fact everything that exists in the world, including all living beings, gods and goddesses is just the manifestations of the power or potency of Radha and Krishna. This is illustrated in the Pancharatra text called Sanatkumara-samhita (http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures...ra-samhita.htm) :

    Texts 70 and 71
    Please hear, O Narada, and I will tell you the meaning of these mantras. The material world is manifested by the Lord's maya potency and other external potencies. The spiritual world is manifested by the Lord's cit potency and other internal and everlasting spiritual potencies. The protector of these potencies is said to be the gopi Shri Radha, who is Lord Krishna's beloved.

    Text 77 O Narada, please know that everything is Their potency (vibhutim - potency). Even if I had many hundreds of years, I could not describe all Their glories.

    Verses 72-76:

    Text 72 The transcendental goddess Shri Radha is the direct counterpart of Lord Shri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She is the pleasure-potency of Lord Krishna.

    Text 73 The wise say that She is the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna. Durga and the other goddesses in the world of the three modes are a million-millionth part of one of Her expansions.

    Text 74 She is directly Goddess Maha-Lakshmi and Lord Krishna is Lord Narayana. O best of sages, there is not the slightest difference between Them.

    Text 75 O best of sages, what more can I say? Nothing can exist without Them. This universe made of spirit and matter together is Their potency.

    Text 76 She is Durga and Lord Hari is Shiva. Lord Krishna is Indra and She is Shaci. She is Savitri and Lord Hari is Brahma. She is Dhumorna and Lord Hari is Yama.

    Compare this with excerpt from Brahma-vaivarta Purana (http://brahma-vaivarta-puranam.blogs...part-xiii.html) about Sri Radha:

    Obeisances to She who resides in Vaikuntha¡ Obeisances to She who appears as Maha'-Laksmi¡ Obeisances to She who becomes Sarasvati the goddess of learning!

    Obeisances to She who is Goddess Laksmi the queen of all opulences¡ Obeisances to She who is Goddess Laksmi the beloved of Lord Narayana!
    ...

    Obeisances to She who is Lord Visnu's potency
    ...

    Obeisances to She who is Savitri the mother of the four Vedas¡ Obeisances to She who is Durga'-devi the destroyer of obstacles!

    Obeisances to to She who is the goddess of material energy who in Satya-yuga gave all the demigods their powers!
    ...

    Obeisances to She who appears as Goddess Nidra¡ Obeisances to She who is beyond the modes of material nature¡ Obeisances to She who is the daughter of Daksa¡ Obeisances to She who is Sati-devi!

    Obeisances to She who is the daughter of the mountains¡ Obeisances to She who is Parvati¡ Obeisances to She who is very austere¡ Obeisances to She who is Goddess Uma!

    Obeisances to She who fasted not eating even dry leaves¡ Obeisances to She who is Gauri the most beautiful of fair girls!

    Obeisances to She who resides on Mount Kailasa¡ Obeisances to She who is the queen of all opulences¡ Obeisances to She who is Nidra-devi¡ Obeisances to She who is mercy and faith!
    ... ...

    Obeisances to She who is the fire's power to burn¡ Obeisances to She who is the beauty in the full moon and the autumn lotus!

    Thus Radha and Krishna are manifested as all living beings, gods and goddesses including Lakshmi, Durga, Shiva, Indra, Shaci, Savitri, Nidra, Sati, Uma, ..., who are all parts of Radha and Krishna. All these gods and goddesses are either jiva tattva (jiva souls) or Vishnu tattva.
    Not all the gods and goddesses are Vishnu tattva! Not all the gods and goddesses are same! We can say that all the gods and goddesses who belong to the Vishnu tattva category have the same status of the Supreme Brahman or paramatma. Yes, we could say so. But even then it does not make sense to say that, for example, Radha is the same as Lakshmi implying that there is no difference between them. Radha is eternally Radha, and Lakshmi is eternally Lakshmi. Lakshmi is a part of Radha and not the reverse. Besides Lakshmi is always with Narayana and not with Krishna.

    Another important point to be noted: All the gods and goddesses who are Vishnu tattva remain eternally the same and do not change their status and form or physical appearance. That is why they are called "eternal"! For example Radha is always and eternally Radha. She never ceases to be Radha to become some other being or entity.
    However this is not so with gods and goddesses who are jivas (jiva tattva category or jiva souls). Those gods and goddesses who are jiva souls have a material body, living in this material world and have a position which they get on the basis of their merits or good deeds (pious karma). Their material body is temporary, ie their life is temporary and they will perish, this material world is temporary and will perish also, and their pious karma is temporary also. When their pious karma is exhausted, they cease to be gods and goddesses and leave from their post of duty. Thus someone who is a jiva soul sometimes becomes a man, sometimes a god or goddess, sometimes even a demonic creature or lower being, sometimes even an insignificant insect. All this according to his merits, according to his karma.

    regards

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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Thank you, BJ ji for your input.

    I went through the links provided by you.

    The scope of this current thread is towards understanding 'what constitutes the dasavataras'?

    On one hand, we have Sri Vishnu, on the other Sri Shiva. The study on this thread presents yet another aspect or 3rd dimension to this mix, namely "Sati devi's 10 amsas".

    To explain the above a bit further, it might be of interest for some to know that there is one recent view that Sri Vishnu's 10 avataras are a combination of Sri Vishnu tattwa with some other tattwa, mostly one of Sati' devi's 10 different avataras.

    When I expressed the above to the author of mahapashupatastra.blogspot.com, he writes,

    What you have cited about Dasavatara and Shaktis is found in few Tantra scriptures like Todali tantra and Munda Mala Tantra.

    Here is the verse from mundamaala tantra,

    kR^ishNastu kALikaa saakShaat rAma mUrtischa taariNii.
    varaaho bhuvanaa proktaa nR^isimho mauraviishvarii..
    kamalaa matsya rUpasyAt kUrmastu bhagaLaamukhii.
    dhuumaavatii vaamanaH syaat chinnaa bR^igukulodbhavaH..
    maatangii bhauddha itiyeShaa shoDashii kalkiruupiNii ..

    At this moment I haven't done a detailed study in those areas hence I would point you to a reliable link where this topic has been discussed once upon a time. This discussion may throw more light on your query and hopefully might help you.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/a...ns/topics/6480
    The link in the above quoted message gives this information:

    The Dasa Avatara of Maha Vishnu has connection with the Dasa Maha Vidya of Devi as per Munda Mala Tantra :

    Dasa Maha Vidya Coresponds to Avathara Chakra in our body

    ( Of Maha Vishnu )

    Kaali �����������.. Krishna ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anahatha

    Tara �����������.. Rama, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Manipuraka

    ( Above )

    Sundari �����������.. Kalki ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Sahasrara

    ( North East )

    Bhuvaneshwari ��������.. Varaha ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Anahatha

    (West )

    Bhairavi �����������.. Nirushimha ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Moola adhara

    ( Below )

    Chinnamastha ���������. Parasurama ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Agnya

    (East )

    Dhumavathi ���������� Vaamana ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Samadhi State

    ( South East )

    Bhagalamukhi ���������. Kuurma ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Shankini

    ( South )

    Mathangi �����������.. Bhudha ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Vishuddhi

    ( North West )

    Kamalathmikka ��������� Mathsya ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Not Mentioned

    ( South West )


    The Directions in Which these forms first appeared.

    Jai Maha Vidya � Sathi Devi � who took these 10 forms.


    I differ from the above in just 2 instances: according to my inference (just stemming from my thoughts), Sri Rama is Shiva combined with Vishnu and Sri Krishna is Vishnu combined with Lalitha Tripura Sundari.

    So, you can see that I am really striving to go in this direction -> it appears to me that the 10 different avataras of Shakti devi are presiding deities of different chakras of the body and that Sri Vishnu in connection with each of these energies, manifests as either form of the dasavataras.

    Lastly, I understand what you are saying w.r.t Smt Radha Rani -> That she is a combination of Lakshmi, Durga and Saraswathi amsas and this combination of all 3 amsas is what I am referring in this thread as 'Sita'.
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Well, at this point, one important question arises in my mind:

    Are all the tantric texts, most importantly the ones quoted in this thread - TantraRajaTantra, Todali Tantra and Munda Mala Tantra shaivite in nature? In other words, do they represent the avataras of Sriman Narayana from Matsya, Kurma to Kalki as influenced by Shakti devi?
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    Namaste,

    It appears to me now that parabrahman Sriman Narayana is actually 'desireless' - the seed for 'avatara' is sown in him through 'mayashakti' who is the 10 amsas of Sati devi, resulting in the 10 different avataras of bhagwan.

    In the avataras being influenced by Shakti devi's amsas, I see bhagwan Sriman Narayan as being the 'purusha' and mother Shakti devi as being the 'prakriti'.

    -- alternate explanations welcome.

    -- Mundamala Tantra, Todala Tantra and Tantraraja Tantra are Shakta Tantric scripts.

    Jai Ram!
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    Re: Sita is Sri Kamakshi Amman..

    • Hello friends again,

      In some temples, such as Triprayar Sri Rama temple, Sri Rama is essentially treated as Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwara combined.

      " The image of Rama (Triprayar Thevar) resembles the Chaturbhuja Vishnu form with four arms, bearing a conch(Panchajanya), a disc (Sudarsana), a bow (Kodanda) and a garland respectively. It is believed that the deity worshipped here possesses some of the aspects of Shiva too. It was after killing the asura, Khara that Sri Rama got both the Shaiva and Vaishnava aspects. Thus Triprayar Thevar is also called Khara Samhara Moorthy. It is also believed that the portrayal of Rama with a garland held in the image's hand is also suggestive of aspects of Bhrahma and hence the deity is said to be a manifestation of the Trimoorthis." (Ref: http://www.vaikhari.org/triprayar.html)


    Thanks.
    Last edited by Viraja; 17 January 2016 at 05:50 AM.
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