SadGuru and God

[Who am i]

Dear Learned Members

I understand both SadGuru and God will take care of a true devotees.But why is that Sadguru is willing to change the karma of his devotee while God do not prefer to change the fate.

What is logic behind this?

[devotee]

Namaste Wai,

I understand both SadGuru and God will take care of a true devotees.But why is that Sadguru is willing to change the karma of his devotee while God do not prefer to change the fate.

It is God alone who sends a Sadguru to a Truth Seeker. So, when Sadguru helps, it is as desired by God. Again, there is no law that God won't do it by Himself and that for changing fate a Sadguru is always needed. Actually, getting God's grace is a lot easier through a Sadguru as he can connect with God easily than a common seeker at lower spiritual level can do himself. Once seeker attains some required spiritual level, he can communicate with God as we do with any other person and seek intervention in genuine cases.

OM

[c.smith]

Hari Om!

It is also said that God and Satguru are one. Many subscribe to this those and there are those who don't.

I am of the opinion that Sadguru is God, or rather God on Earth. Is this proper? It fits in with my current thinking and contributed to my total surrender to Guru some time back.

So, I am not totally convinced that fate is changed per se. Karma is still playing itself out regardless of circumstance. Some do and some don't even aspire to meet a Satguru in a lifetime. Those that do, again in my opinion, are very fortunate.

[Who am i]

Hari Om!

It is also said that God and Satguru are one. Many subscribe to this those and there are those who don't.

I am of the opinion that Sadguru is God, or rather God on Earth. Is this proper? It fits in with my current thinking and contributed to my total surrender to Guru some time back.

So, I am not totally convinced that fate is changed per se. Karma is still playing itself out regardless of circumstance. Some do and some don't even aspire to meet a Satguru in a lifetime. Those that do, again in my opinion, are very fortunate.

Hi Smith

thanks for reply.I fully agree with your views.I have heard many stories of Kanchi Parmacharaya who changed the karma of his devotees.There are people still living now who witnessed his love for this devotees.

He was a living God.My opinion is that karma cant be removed but it can transferred.That is why many SadGurus suffered from various diseases (eg Ramanar suffering from cancer..etc) because they transferred devotees Karma to themself.

[jiva123]

Jai Srimannarayana,

Though Sunlight is essential for a lotus to blossom, it remains that way only if it stays in the pond with water. If the same lotus jumps out of the pond assuming that Sun alone is enough, the same Sun withers it! Likewise, Guru’s grace is essential to help one blossom in the love of God!

https://chinnajeeyar.org/guru-purnim...under-the-sun/ (this beautiful analogy is given here in the last section)
https://chinnajeeyar.org/guru-purnim...n-five-levels/ (also the greatness of Guru and his role is explained on the day of Guru Purnima here)

[SuryaVedanta754]

I don't believe SadGuru is a real teacher. I think he is a fraud. People have to remember that all one really has to do, to fake being a true teacher...is memorize some philosophy, dress like a Guru...and take a few acting lessons on how to pretend to be holy.

Actions speak louder than words. If you look at the life of Mahatma Gandhi, there is an endless list of real world actions that he took that were incredible courageous, faithful, pure, honest and on. it is documented what a real saint he was.

he personally indicated that Swami Vivekananda was a real saint. And he also indicated that Paramahansa Yogananda was a real saint.

So, right there, you have 3 credible people.

Swami Vivekananda even joked about all the false teachers. He said, "in Bengal, the avatars grow like mushrooms."

No, saints don't grow like mushrooms...they are very rare. But frauds do grow like mushrooms and are everywhere.

Oh and Bhagwan Shree Rajnesh...now known as Osho...that is another fraud. That guy was literally accused of bio-terrorism in Oregon, USA.

Back in the 80's he had a center near here. I think he collected Rolls Royce cars and had guards who carried machine guns. Pure fraud.

Paramahansa Yogananda himself regarded Sri Ananda Moi Ma and Sri Ramana Maharishi as true saints. So there are two more. The writings of all the saints I mentioned are available, online....free.

[timetraveler]

Namaste Surya,

Very tricky subject to discuss.

But primarily your final discernment is very true. All subjects and scriptures are free..

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté

Dear Learned Members

willing to change the karma of his devotee

This is a finer point that one may wish to consider... karma (properly karman) occurs within the field of the 3 guna-s. When the guru talks to 'you' he is talking beyond the 3 guna-s, and is talking to the Self (ātman) that is the real 'you'. Hence he ( the guru) is talking to his own Self for this Self is the same in all that is in you ( housed in the body).
So, is the guru concerned with that which comes and goes ( body/thoughts/feelings/ideas) ? All these are the impediments that form that curtain in front of the Self. It is that which he wishes to change? He is much more interested in that Being that is changeless, that is untouched by karma. Bring that to the forefront and karma means nothing , other then the completion of actions that occur within the 3 guna-s.

So what is my point ? What karma can he 'accept' if he is changeless himself, if he is beyond the 3 guna-s ? Where can karma touch him ( or her). There must be more to this notion then meets the eye.

iti śivaṁ

[Who am i]

hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté



This is a finer point that one may wish to consider... karma (properly karman) occurs within the field of the 3 guna-s. When the guru talks to 'you' he is talking beyond the 3 guna-s, and is talking to the Self (ātman) that is the real 'you'. Hence he ( the guru) is talking to his own Self for this Self is the same in all that is in you ( housed in the body).
So, is the guru concerned with that which comes and goes ( body/thoughts/feelings/ideas) ? All these are the impediments that form that curtain in front of the Self. It is that which he wishes to change? He is much more interested in that Being that is changeless, that is untouched by karma. Bring that to the forefront and karma means nothing , other then the completion of actions that occur within the 3 guna-s.

So what is my point ? What karma can he 'accept' if he is changeless himself, if he is beyond the 3 guna-s ? Where can karma touch him ( or her). There must be more to this notion then meets the eye.

iti śivaṁ

Respected Yajvanji

Excellent reply.Thanks a lot

[Ketan1234]

God send sadguru to decrease your karmas and connect him with you. So the updesh give you by guru is always like GOD gives you. You must follow his saying. he will definitely shows you right path.