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    Trikāla and Trideva

    This popped up during my Sanskrit self-study, particularly, in Tenses. So probably, this question has never been asked before, and may well perhaps not make even sense, but here it is:

    A) Brahmā, Vishnu, Shiva.
    B) Present, Past, Future.

    So, the problem is to match each of the entries in (A) uniquely to the entries in (B). Further, I will request the bhakta members to answer this question for all the three entries (and not just the one iSTa Lord).

    Again, as I said, this is a question that has not been asked before (and could be a dumb one to ask) so there is no "standard" or "correct" answer, for sure.

    Yet I request the posters to freely share their view on this, and also supply their rationale.

    Hoping to learn,
    KT
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: Trikāla and Trideva

    Pranams,

    The easiest association that comes to my mind is:

    Brahma - Creation - Past

    Vishnu - Preservation - Present

    Shiva - Dissolution - Future.

    The rationale is that the creation already happened, the preservation is still ongoing and de dissolution of the universe is yet to happen.

    Of course, these three forces act together in the present too, because every moment we have little creations, little acts of preservation and little acts of destruction; each one being equally important for maintaining the balance.

    Namaste.

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    Re: Trikāla and Trideva

    Quote Originally Posted by Ekam View Post
    Brahma - Creation - Past

    Vishnu - Preservation - Present

    Shiva - Dissolution - Future.

    The rationale is that the creation already happened, the preservation is still ongoing and de dissolution of the universe is yet to happen.
    Namaste Ekam,

    Indeed this is a very straight answer, and looks like one perfect match.
    BTW, do you have a scriptural reference where Brahmā-Vishnu-Shiva are mentioned as creator-preserver-destroyer?

    Because, firstly, their bhakta-s don't identify them with agent-nouns such as preserver, destroyer, creator; rather, they are identified with Self. That is, with abstract noun, at most.

    Secondly, and something pertinent to this thread, both Shiva and Vishnu (Krishna) are very well known to have (been) identified with kāla. Here, though kāla can mean destruction, no doubt, but has a general meaning of Time.

    But this thread already presumes some sort of relation of Trideva with Time (not to be read destruction), isn't it?


    P.S.: Brahmā doesn't seemingly has any bhakta-s, but in that case Brahm can imo serve the purpose here.
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: Trikāla and Trideva

    Namaste,

    Reverting to the question at hand, let me try some right sounding statements:

    1) "Shiva is all that is".

    2) "Vishnu is all that can be".

    3) "Brahm is all that was".
    So this point of view orients Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm to present, future and past, respectively.

    Yet, the same "is" is used in all the three sentences.

    Moreover, these three statements, if true, in a way perhaps point towards the reason why Shiva and Brahm worship could be more along advaitic lines, and Vishnu worship could be of dvaita nature. This, simply because- at least in the present context- one cannot integrate with future.

    I will like to explore more, including of connections to how Sanskrit understands its tenses.
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: Trikāla and Trideva

    Namaste
    If we talk from the point of the jiva then it is the turiya state that is the highest/foremost. Lord SadaShiva the sat chit ananda Para Brahma,the eternal witness, one with neither a beginning nor an end, the one inaccessible even to Brahma or Vishnu, in whom the liberated jivas rest, is the ruler of this state.
    Shiva then by the act of sheer will,agitated by His Iccha Shakti then starts the process of creation of the pancha maha bhutas.The created creation/the jagrat state is the state of wakefulness and represented by Brahma Aa of the Aum . The individual jivas using their own free will enter this creation, thereby giving rise to what seems to be a material life. PAST from the jiva point of view

    Jivas get encompassed by the illusionary power of Maya where the three gunas , jnanendriyas,karmendriyas take a bow, where they are all limited by the ego,names,forms etc. This state is called swapna/dream state, where the jiva gets disillusioned about its real existence thinking of the material world to be real and is represented by Vishnu U of the Aum, the kriya shakti of the Lord. This swapna state is the one most of the souls living in this world are under. PRESENT from the jiva point of view.

    The third is the sushupti state the state of inertia or rest when all jivas enter Rudra who throws them into the state of deep sleep, the sleep without any desires or disillusions ,the base for absolute knowledge(jnana shakti) MM OF AUM which leads to liberation or the turiya state of Sada Shiva. FUTURE from the jiva point of view.

    From the material time line point of view
    Brahmas 100years(after which death) = 1 day of Vishnu
    Vishnu 100years(after which death) = 1 day of rudra
    Rudra 100years(after which transformation into Shiva)=1 day of Sada Shiva

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