Namaste Brahma Jijnasa
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brahma jijnasa
Namaste
Yes indeed in the scriptures sometimes we do find conflicting statements on the subject who is whose avatara.
I don't think so. Who is whose Avatara is not a subject of Purana. It's importance is absolute null in the essence of Purana. Bhagavata doesn't teach two arm or four arm is supreme
But let's look what says the verse Bhagavatam 10.14.14 where Brahma offers prayers to Lord Krishna:
nārāyaṇo ’ṅgaṁ
nārāyaṇaḥ -- Lord Śrī Nārāyaṇa; aṅgam -- the expanded plenary portion
Here is the Verse with complete meaning :
नारायणस्त्वं न हि सर्वदेहिनां
आत्मास्यधीशाखिललोकसाक्षी ।
नारायणोऽङ्*गं नरभूजलायनात्
तच्चापि सत्यं न तवैव माया ॥ १४ ॥
Meaning: You are Narayana. You are Atma of all jivas, you are ruler and onlooker of entire worlds. As water which is formed from nara is your Ayan [ Home ] , you are called as Anga [ Body or Part ] of Narayana. But this is not true. [You are amsha is] only because of Maya. [ Here concept of amsha is completely declined as it is always viewed from Maya. If one is amsha of another, doesn't mean one is supreme & other is lower. I don't know from where that belief came. The essence is that though Brahman appears in form as a amsha in the form of Narayana, it's complete in its own nature. Amsha of Infinite is not possible. This is the same thing as Bhagavan says in Gita - Unintelligents think me, who is unmanifested, as having a tainted form. ]
What could be more stronger support other than this verse?
अप्यद्य विष्णोर्मनुजत्वमीयुषो
भारावताराय भुवो निजेच्छया ।Bhagavata 10.38.10
Meaning: I am going to see the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu, who by His own will has now assumed a humanlike form ( Krishna form ) to relieve the earth of her burden.
[ Here it is clearly mentioned that Vishnu has assumed a form of Krishna who has two hands. So NO any difference between Krishna and Vishnu. That's why he's called as Avatara of Vishnu to mention him indifferent from Vishnu. Puranas use Avatara word to establish someone indifferently from someone ]
So it seems that here we have a statement that says exactly the opposite of the statement in Bhagavatam 10.43.23 (see above)!!!
It seems you can accept one verse which isn't supporting Vishnu as Avatara but you can , without thinking equally , can ignore those 100s of verses that VERY clearly mentions that Krishna is Amsha Avatara of Vishnu. If you really want to find a contradictory verse, I request you to find only a single verse, like ' Vishnu/Narayana is Avatara of Krishna. Then only intelligents can find it contradictory.
So whose expansion or avatara is Lord Balarama, then?! Is He Lord Krishna's avatara or Lord Narayana's avatara?
This doesn't prove that Vishnu is Avatara of Krishna. Here he must be called as Amsha in regard with infinite formless Brahman OR if we think on it, then actually Amsha of Aamsha of amsha of A can be called as amsha of A because in their relation condition of amsha is satisfied
When you start to think about it anything you can get will be this: Confusion and
There will be confusion only if you are strongly attached to your belief. There's no confusion at all . All puranas mention Krishna as Avatara of Vishnu. It's so simple ! No confusion !
This Gaudiya Vaishnava conclusion on the position of Lord Krishna is beautifully expressed in that famous verse Bhagavatam 1.3.28:
ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam
"All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead."
But you didn't tell me. Where are these words "above-mentioned incarnations the original Personality of Godhead" in original Sanskrit Verse. And why did you choose this verse even though the same Bhagavata mentions many times that Krishna is Avatara. I think one should read Bhagavata without assuming any philosophy or beliefs, then only truth of Bhagavata unveils. Because if we've already assumed that ' this is so this is that', then we'll surely interpret it according to our assumed view.
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