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    How can Vishnu appear to be deluded

    Pranam, Hari Narayana.


    This thread may be a guide for Beginners of Advaita or who're interested to know it or those who find advaita as illogical. Here are some things which you should know before starting of my actual subject. Advaita believes 1] The Brahman is attained through the constant meditating on the self 2] Applying logic of 'Neti Neti' ie after negating all aspects of JivaBhava, what remains is the Absolute truth which is famously known in Shastras as Brahma/Brahman/Param Atma. 2] Jiva is Brahman 3] Moksha is Nitya-Siddha ie it is neither attained nor ignored.
    Now you may wonder if Jiva is really Brahman or Ishwara, how it is being suffered. How is it possible that Brahman become deluded? The one and only one answer for this question is that accepting Maya by Brahman is its Sport only. The Atma has no bondage or Moksha. The bondage appears when ignorance appears similarly Moksha appears when knowledge appears. But one should know that these Knowledge and Ignorance of Jiva are brought out from unending maya of Vishnu. In reality, Jiva has no bondage or Moksha. Seeing the distinction between two is itself Maya of Bhagavan. From Logics too, we get the same truth. Atma is known as all-pervading and this Atma itself is appearing in minds of all Jivas. Such self-illuminating Atma can not even touch the Maya because it is can not be said perfectly when this Atma got deluded by maya. Never ! So if you say this Atma is in bondage without beginning considering Maya as unending, then my view on this is that if this happens then jiva could not get Moksha ever. Why? Because if Atma is in bondage without beginning, then surely the present state of Atma [as a Jiva] becomes Sat as this state is beginning less. The siddhanta is that whatever has not beginning can not an end ever. So Jivabhava would not vanish at any time and for such Jiva, Moksha is not possible at any time. Thus from such logics too, the only truth is that Atma must not have Bondage or Moksha. No, we haven't seen this subject through logics only. Now we'll enter into the advaitic wisdom of MahaPurana, Bhagavata Purana, which is the highest in all Upanishadas and Puranas.
    श्रीमद्*भागवत महापुराण
    तृतीय स्कंधः - सप्तमोऽध्यायः


    विदुर उवाच ।
    ब्रह्मन् कथं भगवतः चिन्मात्रस्याविकारिणः ।
    लीलया चापि युज्येरन् निर्गुणस्य गुणाः क्रियाः ॥ २ ॥

    Brahman, how Bhagavan who is consciousness and without VikArA ( alteration ) can have relation with Guna ( quality ) & KriyA ( act ) even though through sport?

    अस्राक्षीत् भगवान् विश्वं गुणमय्याऽऽत्ममायया ।
    तया संस्थापयत्येतद् भूयः प्रत्यपिधास्यति ॥ ४ ॥

    Ishwara establishes this world by his own Maya , through it he nourishes and in the end he destroys it.

    देशतः कालतो योऽसौ अवस्थातः स्वतोऽन्यतः ।
    अविलुप्तावबोधात्मा स युज्येताजया कथम् ॥ ५ ॥

    How Awakened Atma Whose knowledge, by place and Time and conditions, can not be damaged by any other reason or by without reason, could come into Maya ?

    भगवानेक एवैष सर्वक्षेत्रेष्ववस्थितः ।
    अमुष्य दुर्भगत्वं वा क्लेशो वा कर्मभिः कुतः ॥ ६ ॥

    One Ishwara alone is present in all kshetra- all Bodies [as a jiva] , for such a one, how can be there unluckiness or suffering from Karma/Acts ?

    एतस्मिन्मे मनो विद्वन् खिद्यतेऽज्ञानसङ्कटे ।
    तन्नः पराणुद विभो कश्मलं मानसं महत् ॥ ७ ॥

    Intelligent one, My mind is depressed in this crisis of Ignorance. With mercy please remove my this ignorance.

    श्रीशुक उवाच -
    स इत्थं चोदितः क्षत्त्रा तत्त्वजिज्ञासुना मुनिः ।
    प्रत्याह भगवच्चित्तः स्मयन्निव गतस्मयः ॥ ८ ॥

    Shuka : O King, Maitreya, being thus agitated by the inquisitive Vidura, at first seemed astonished, but then he replied to him without hesitation by remembering god.

    मैत्रेय उवाच -
    सेयं भगवतो माया यन्नयेन विरुध्यते ।
    ईश्वरस्य विमुक्तस्य कार्पण्यमुत बन्धनम् ॥ ९ ॥

    Atma who is Ishwara and ever free acquired insufficiency and Bondage, this logically becomes contradictory. However This [Logic] itself is Maya of Bhagavan. [ This is the answer for Dvaitian Vaishnawas who holds such logic. Here such logic is refuted by calling it maya ]

    यदर्थेन विनामुष्य पुंस आत्मविपर्ययः ।
    प्रतीयत उपद्रष्टुः स्वशिरश्छेदनादिकः ॥ १० ॥

    Even as through ignorance the person in a dream really believes that his head is cut off even though it is not happened in reality, in the same way though Jiva has not any bondage, because of Ignorance bondage seems to be appeared.

    यथा जले चन्द्रमसः कम्पादिस्तत्कृतो गुणः ।
    दृश्यतेऽसन्नपि द्रष्टुः आत्मनोऽनात्मनो गुणः ॥ ११ ॥

    Just as ripples in the water ,without appearing, appears on the image of moon but not on the moon itself which is in the sky, in the same way, seer of Jiva associated with Anatma [false self] acquires [Bondage], not the actual self of Jiva.

    स वै निवृत्तिधर्मेण वासुदेवानुकम्पया ।
    भगवद्*भक्तियोगेन तिरोधत्ते शनैरिह ॥ १२ ॥

    But this Anatma-Buddhi gets diminished gradually by the mercy ofVasudeva through the process of devotional service to the Lord in the mode of detachment.


    So if I answer in just one sentense " How can vishnu become deluded " then this is it : : : All-pervading, ever free atma can not be appeared as deluded, this logic itself is Maya, which is thought by dull witted persons. Though Atma appears to be deluded, he doesn't get deluded in real sense. So there's absolute zero possibility of Jiva's bondage and moksha. So the logic that all-pervading ever free Brahman can not be appeared as deluded is totally wrong.

    Thus Ends...



    Last edited by satay; 07 January 2015 at 10:48 AM.
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