Re: Something new to discuss - The Prophecy of a Golden Age in Kali Yuga
Pranam
Originally Posted by
ganeshamylord
Namasteji
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I personally think the problem with Iskcon is its literal interpretation of scriptures especially puranas and its inability to comprehend vedas and upanishads.
And ofcourse its biased translations. My point is if only it has biased translations to offer why does it not write a separate set of upanishads/vedas called iskcon vedanta. Because by diluting original vedanta it is insulting the intelligence of the sages.
Il give you a proof
Isha upanishad 14
sambhūtiṁ ca vināśaṁ ca
yas tad vedobhayaṁ saha
vināśena mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
sambhūtyāmṛtam aśnute
Word for word:
One should know perfectly the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa and His transcendental name, form, qualities and pastimes, as well as the temporary material creation with its temporary demigods, men and animals. When one knows these, he surpasses death and the ephemeral cosmic manifestation with it, and in the eternal kingdom of God he enjoys his eternal life of bliss and knowledge.
Now where do you see the word Krishna in this verse???
hiraṇmayena pātreṇa
satyasyāpihitaṁ mukham
tat tvaṁ pūṣann apāvṛṇu
satya-dharmāya dṛṣṭaye
Word for word:
O my Lord, sustainer of all that lives, Your real face is covered by Your dazzling effulgence. Kindly remove that covering and exhibit Yourself to Your pure devotee.
Really?? So this verse is asking Krishna to show His face? Really? And a devotee????
So it is no wonder that person told you so many things about the golden age based on his interpretion or misinterpretation of the purana and may be he thought anything that is mistranslated to suit his faith will lead to liberation and worse he expects God to back him up here
And in this case that person thought Ganga can purify the body.
Two years back my childhood buddy in vrindavan told me the same thing and told me how Yamuna can purify all the sins and drank yamuna water and ended up in a hospital with diarrhea and worse he even told me the diarrhea is indicative of sin removal and that he is lucky that god removed his karma by making him pass loose stool:P
Eitherway you should have asked that person to drink some ganga water and give you a proof of its sin cleansing action :P
I can understand you taking an issue with the biased translation of the verse and frankly I can point out quite a few in so called "Bhagvat Gita As it is", it is quite clear from what you write about Iskcon, you have a clear dislike for them.
I am not particularly fond of them for many reasons, no need for me to go in to them.
but I see no reason to lump every other Hindu practice that you either don't understand or find it illogical, thus dismiss them with disdain and in the process condemn an age old practice in this case the reverence that Hindus hold for maa Ganga or Yamunamayi, murti puja or Puranas.
Let's face it, four kshetra that Shankracharya established from north in the Himalayas to South Rameshwara, Puri in the east and Dwarka in the west. These tirtha are source of faith for the millions.
Kumbh mela held every twelve years in four different places, to take a dip it's an experience to cherish but according to you these Hindus are all lunies, no you did not say it in so many words!
For the record I don't believe in this golden age but I have nothing against those who do. I am thankful to Chaitanya mahaprabhu for the sankirtan movement.
Jai Shree Krishna
Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.
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