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    ktavihūrchati - stuck in doing ( my words only). Here’s the audit trail behind this compound word:
    · ktaḥ= kta – doing; acting; done, made accomplished, performed; service done’
    o kt = manufacturing , acting , one who accomplishes or performs anything

    · vihūrchati = vihūrch+ ati
    o vihurch = to waddle , toddle , sway from one side to another; to stagger , totter , stumble
    o ati – is mostly used as a prefix, I am offering it as a suffix and it means ‘excessively’
    In the West we all have been kṛtaḥvihūrchati or stuck in doing. Think about meeting someone we ask, how do you do ? It has come to mean how are you , but we’re asking about doing – how ( or what) do you do ? Usually followed by the next question : Hello , how do you do ? Buy the way what do you do ? We come to know others by their actions.

    When idle chat occurs we ask, what are you doing today ? Or , what are your plans for the weekend or for this evening or (fill in the blank). This from a triguṇa¹ point of view is rago-guṇa-centric or action oriented. For some this may hint or imply some negative connotation, but that is far from my intent. We all act , some more than others, but we are all compelled to action ( so says the bhāgavad gītā ).

    Our orientation is that of action – for some it is perpetual doing. We have been conditioned that all success comes from doing. It seems
    right, it feels right. Just like a football player that puts his head down and strives for another yard ( meter) on the football field; to move
    forward action is necessary.

    So what’s my point for discussion ?
    “no action can give liberation, since every action leaves a ‘seed’ or vāsanā , a propensity or impulse to do such an action again, and thereby immerses and drowns us in the vast ocean of action¹" . My words would be it drowns us in ktavihūrchati.

    This is in no way a casual thing and has ( as I see it) some far reaching implications. It is these implications I wish to engage in the forthcoming posts.

    iti śivaṁ

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    • trigua- the 3 guas (sattva , rajas , and tamas)
    • rago = rajas = active , urgent , and variable; action-centric , movable, dynamic.
    • this is from the introductory note of the Śrī ramaōpadēśa nūmālai authored by ramaṅa mahaṛṣi
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Namaste Yajvan ji,

    Good topic and explanation. However, in my opinion, Vihurchati is one-word and "ati" has been used for modification of "Vihurch" for third person singular number like "Gachhati" for the verb "Gachha".

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post

    This is in no way a casual thing and has ( as I see it) some far reaching implications. It is these implications I wish to engage in the forthcoming posts.
    What is action what is inaction ? Even the wise are bewildered here. bhāgavad gītā 4.16

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    It is this doing that brings mischief. Yet we are told, no one indeed can exist even for an instant without performing action - bhāgavad gītā 3.5.
    This should pass everyone’s common sense test. Even if you are idle, the body continues to circulate blood, the nerons in the brain continue
    to fire, the various chemical reactions within the body continue to convert substances for one’s sustenance.


    So here is the pickle: no action can give liberation, since every action leaves a ‘seed’ or vāsanā , as mentioned in the post above,
    Yet we are driven to ‘do’, to waddle (vihurch) extensively (ati) within the field of action again and again.

    It seems that the human condition is stuck on a one way street.

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    It seems that the human condition is stuck on a one way street.
    For this conversation to continue ( and if the reader has taken interest) then it will be necessary to do some reading....
    1. the introduction to the Śrī ramaṇōpadēśa nūṉmālai
    http://www.happinessofbeing.com/rama..._nunmalai.html
    2. The reading itself of the Śrī ramaṇōpadēśa nūṉmālai (PDF)
    http://www.happinessofbeing.com/Sri_..._Noonmalai.pdf

    Recall that this discussion is within the uttara folder. That infers this is beyond entry reading. For some it will resonate clearly, for others, not so much.

    It is just brilliant knowledge... yet if one misses its essence then one can gain support ( prepare) by reading, Be As You Are - The Teachings of Sri Ramama Maharsi - edited by David Godman.

    iti śivaṁ
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    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    It seems that the human condition is stuck on a one way street.
    Yet the wise are there to help us think this though... we will take a look at some of these notions in the next few posts.


    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post

    So what’s my point for discussion ?
    [SIZE=3][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana","sans-serif]“no action can give liberation, since every action leaves a ‘seed’ or vāsanā , a propensity or impulse to do such an action again, and thereby immerses and drowns us in the vast ocean of action¹" .
    Namaste Ji,

    But is it possible to be totally "actionless"?

    Even in a state of Samadhi which seems to be "actionless" the parasympathetic nervous system is still functioning in the background to keep respiration and circulation going.

    Even in Deep Sleep where the mind is shut off the parasympathetic nervous system functions to keep us alive.

    But does the actions like breathing(respiration) and circulation leave a Vasana?

    No..it does not..the reason is because breathing and circulation are not desires but an involuntary actions that does not need the cognition of the mind.

    We are not even aware that we breathe or our blood is circulating.

    The mind is the seat of desire.So its not that actions leave a Vasana but the mind that taints an action with desire that leaves a Vasana.

    Disconnect desires from action and we leave no Vasanas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    It seems that the human condition is stuck on a one way street.

    iti śivaṁ
    Namaste ji,

    Lets discuss what you wrote from a Psychoanlaytical and Religious Point of view.

    Firstly we start with Psychoanalysis.

    What you wrote"the human condition is stuck one a one way street" repeating actions yet again and again is called Repetition Compulsion.

    It is the name given by Sigmund Freud (Neurologist and Psychoanalysis) to describe the often irresistible urge to redramatize or reenact emotional,typical painful experienced that occurred in one's past.

    Ernest Jones defined repetition compulsion as the "blind impulse to repeat earlier experiences and situations quite irrespective of any advantage that doing so might bring from a pleasure-pain point of view. Will power is ineffective in controlling the compulsion"


    Now lets view this from a Religious point of view.

    Repetition Compulsion makes sense if we bring in the theory of Vasanas(imprints).

    As long the Vasanas are present..these Repetitive Compulsions are bound to happen as you rightly said..we are stuck in a one way street without an escape.Will power too proves futile at times to handle Vasanas.

    So the question now is:..How do we rid ourselves from Vasanas?

    Suppression is not an answer because suppression does not dissolve Vasanas.

    It will just make it lie dormant for a while only to resurface may be later or in another life.

    Seeds that are fried do not sprout..so the seeds of Vasanas need to be fried in the fire of knowledge and understanding.

    Understanding the Vasanas should be the name of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    But is it possible to be totally "actionless"?
    If one is associated with and think they're the body-complex then 'actionless' is not possible. Yet when one comes to the re-recognition of one's real Being, then no action occurs. It is the ~symbol~ of the chariot. One rides within the chariot ( the body) but does nothing. This symbol has been used many-many times and it a worthy representation. Actions may and will take place in the body but to the real Self no action occurs as it is stainless.

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Namaste,
    The symbol of chariot, I hadn't thought of it like that. So basically god is driving the chariot, yet there is two sitting in it, the Nara and Narayana. Off topic but...


    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
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    IYet when one comes to the re-recognition of one's real Being, then no action occurs. It is the ~symbol~ of the chariot. One rides within the chariot ( the body) but does nothing. This symbol has been used many-many times and it a worthy representation. Actions may and will take place in the body but to the real Self no action occurs as it is stainless.

    iti śivaṁ
    satay

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