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    Re: stuck in doing...

    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    The symbol of chariot, I hadn't thought of it like that. So basically god is driving the chariot, yet there is two sitting in it, the Nara and Narayana. Off topic but...
    Dear Satay, Both Nara and Narayan melt into ONE glow.
    There is neither nara nor Narayan left.

    Gone are those romantic days when there were two in the chariot. The Lord came gracefully riding the chariot, stopped, put out His beautiful hand to pick up the one into the chariot, welcoming smile, and rode away gracefully and speedily, giving loving and amused glances at the stunned devotee... they went places in space in the flying chariot... here and there and everywhere, sweet memories... but now -- they are ONE and silent. Subdual of all vAsanA, divine included...
    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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    Re: stuck in doing...

    hariḥ oṁ

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    So what’s my point for discussion ?
    “no action can give liberation, since every action leaves a ‘seed’ or vāsanā , a propensity or impulse to do such an action again, and thereby immerses and drowns us in the vast ocean of action¹" . My words would be it drowns us in ktavihūrchati.
    So, what then is the value of action?

    ādi śaṅkara-ji's vivekacūḍāmaṇi, 11th śloka comes to our aid. It says:

    actions help purify the mind ( citti śuddhi), not to perceive Reality(vastu¹); Reality is attained through vicārea i.e. consideration , reflection , examination , investigation. It is never (attained) in the slightest by a hundred-million (koibhiḥ) actions.

    So , what are the optics that are being used here? It is this notion of prāptasya prāpti.
    • prāpta = obtained; accomplished , complete , mature , full-grown
    • sya = tyad = that, indeed
    • prāpti = arrival; obtainment , validity , holding good
    this means , that which one wishes to attain is already attained ( or being held already, ~ holding good~)

    Now how to fit these ideas of actions and that which is already accomplished together? We do not need an action to attain something we all ready have. Even millions (koibhiḥ) of actions do not serve us in this arena. It is the adept, the uttama adhikārī¹, who understands this and paces out his/her actions accordingly.
    That is, actions are used to purify/clean the cognitive apparatus (mind, perception). They are used to expand comprehension. To chart the course appropriately.
    Said another way, actions are used to clean the lens of the telescope ( or microscope) to see clearly. What is being seen has always been there. It ( in this case Reality or Being) does not depend on the telescope's lens for its existence; it has always been there to be seen.
    Yet this example always falls short as it infers 2 . The 2 being the perceiver and the perceived ( seer and seen). When perception is perfectly clear this is what goes away - that there never was 2, but we wish to look for another.

    iti śivaṁ

    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva


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    Re: stuck in doing...

    So true.

    For a sadhaka, actions are to purify the mind. A student who sits down in meditation but ends up sleeping , would be advised to go out and work.
    But that advice is not to a person who effortlessly remains in meditation ... like a Ramana.

    So for a Sadhaka, actions are to purify the mind.
    A liberated person is not acting even when he seems to be acting, since he knows that the kartha is a myth!

    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

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