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    Is the concept of God(Nirguna or Saguna) eventually viewed as Neutral?

    Namaste,

    I have noted that some people react differently to a religious/spiritual life and the study of scriptures.

    Personally I have noted 2 types:

    1)The 1st type that becomes more immersed in religion..study of scriptures and develops intense Bhakti and love for God as his exposure to knowledge increases.He sticks to all rites and rituals of religion..enjoys his meditation and beams with joy and experiences a peace of mind.He basks in the Bhakti of Personal God.


    2)The 2nd type that becomes analytical and as study gets deeper he/she starts to discard the idea of prayer and eventually even becomes neutral about the concept of God.

    He does not become an Atheist or an Agnostic but remains neutral and does not reject neither does he accept nor even concerned about the concept of God.

    This types drop all rites and rituals of formal prayer and ceases even to meditate.Life goes on as usual and he faces life as it comes.



    I would like to know why these 2 extreme reactions are seen?

    Is the concept of God as in Saguna/Nirguna eventually viewed as Neutral for a spiritual aspirant or is the 1st type the correct reaction and the 2nd type a failure or both are right?

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    Re: Is the concept of God(Nirguna or Saguna) eventually viewed as Neutral?

    Pranam,

    Both the views are wrong. One has to know both the Nirguna and the Saguna Brahman to become fully enlightened.


    12. Into blinding darkness enter those who worship the unmanifest and into still greater darkness those who take delight in the manifest.


    The manifest can be interpreted variously as the visible world, the sense-objects, illusion, idols, the body, Hiranyagarbha, the devas, the elements, the sense organs, material wealth and so on. The unmanifest is the hidden self, the invisible ether, the Non-Being, Purusha, Prakriti, imagination and so on.

    13. Different indeed they declare what results from the manifest and distinct they say what comes out of the unmanifest. This is what we heard from the wise who explained these truths to us.

    14. He who understands both the manifest and the unmanifest together, crosses death through the unmanifest and attains immortality through the manifest.

    - Isha Upanishad

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    Re: Is the concept of God(Nirguna or Saguna) eventually viewed as Neutral?

    Namaste,

    Quote Originally Posted by renuka View Post
    1)The 1st type that becomes more immersed in religion..study of scriptures and develops intense Bhakti and love for God as his exposure to knowledge increases.He sticks to all rites and rituals of religion..enjoys his meditation and beams with joy and experiences a peace of mind.He basks in the Bhakti of Personal God.

    2)The 2nd type that becomes analytical and as study gets deeper he/she starts to discard the idea of prayer and eventually even becomes neutral about the concept of God.

    He does not become an Atheist or an Agnostic but remains neutral and does not reject neither does he accept nor even concerned about the concept of God.

    This types drop all rites and rituals of formal prayer and ceases even to meditate.Life goes on as usual and he faces life as it comes.

    I would like to know why these 2 extreme reactions are seen?

    Is the concept of God as in Saguna/Nirguna eventually viewed as Neutral for a spiritual aspirant or is the 1st type the correct reaction and the 2nd type a failure or both are right?
    Before we start delivering judgement on what is wrong and what is right or whatever, we must decide what is the PramANa on which sanctity of both the attitudes can be evaluated.

    Why the need of PramANas ?

    a) A blind person cannot lead another blind person. So, anyone who has not "known" the Truth cannot be relied upon whatever he/she says.

    2) Truth is not dependent upon logic to survive in its glory. So, just by using our logic, we cannot hope to attain the Truth. Why can logic fail us which works so well in the matters of this world ? Because, our logical thinking is based on some assumed axioms which may be true in our relative existence of this world but may fail badly to explain the Reality as it is.

    The above may not be palatable to some people who depend highly upon their logical brains and feel that anything including the Ultimate must be conceived within mental frameworks. However, even science has proved that what appears to true to our sense organs and what appears to be logical to our brain, fails to explain the world at atomic levels.

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    Therefore, before moving ahead in forming any opinion on an issue where we are trying to conceive the Reality as it is, we need PramANas as our mind and logic won't work for us to know the Truth. The best PramANa, in my opinion, is what a person who has relaised the Truth says. We can simply leave other PramANas (even though our scriptures too come from Self-realised saints and have been accepted as most powerful PramANa). You cannot prove to a person that the earth is flat who has seen the Earth himself from space. Pratyaksha PramANa is the best PramANa in my opinion.

    So, in my opinion, the second attitude is adopted by confused souls who have gone on hectic journey for mindless spiritual shopping to various Buddhists' scriptures/saying of saints, Neo-Advaitic books, New-age beliefs, Classical Advaita, Taoism, etc. and has got totally confused and finally has started his/her own make-belief world of "Spirituality" for himself/herself strongly believing that what he/she thinks or does is correct (because he/she has studied and analysed so much).

    OM
    "Om Namo Bhagvate Vaasudevaye"

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