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    Re: Reveling as Self

    hariḥ oṁ
    ~~~~~~
    namasté


    Quote Originally Posted by silence_speaks View Post
    "To me Self is Revealed" ... who is this "me" ? Its Mind -- and you are not the Mind! Who feels there is lack of clarity ? Mind ! You are not the mind !
    It may just be mind for you... I see it differently. Now you will ask who is this 'I' ? Words cause mischief.

    The only thing that will be perfectly understood is silence.

    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

    _

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    Re: Reveling as Self

    Dear Yajvan ji,
    Namasthe!

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    hariḥ oṁ
    ~~~~~~
    namasté

    It may just be mind for you... I see it differently. Now you will ask who is this 'I' ? Words cause mischief.

    The only thing that will be perfectly understood is silence.

    iti śivaṁ
    The one who asks "Who is this "I" " is mind!
    Please see ... Body does not have any trouble.
    Awareness too does not have any trouble.

    so if at all there is any trouble , its only at the level of the mind ! So ignorance is in mind, understanding too is in mind. For that matter all spiritual instructions are for mind!!

    Regarding Silence, Well, it depends on what one understands from that word.

    1. If Silence is the silence of mind, then there is nothing to be understood nor anyone to understand. Body does not understand ... Awareness is ever detached, changeless ! so if its silence of mind, there is nothing to be understood.

    2. If however Silence is used to refer to the Presence ... "refer", because its only "indicated meaning " .... then understanding would resolve the ignorance of mind and leave the person as Self !


    It may just be mind for you... I see it differently.
    That is a thought and hence mind ! So there cannot be two opinions about it , isnt it so ?

    Love!
    Silence
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  3. #13

    Re: Reveling as Self

    Dear Yajvan ji,

    I would also like to bring to your notice a quote from Vedanta Panchadasi:

    dehaatmaGYaanavajGYaana.N dehaatmaGYaanabaadhakam |
    aatmanyeva bhavedyasya sa necChannapi mucyate ||

    देहात्मज्ञानवज्ज्ञानँ देहात्मज्ञानबाधकम्।
    आत्मन्येव भवेद्यस्य स नेच्छन्नपि मुच्यते॥

    dehatmagyanavat - as the knowledge in the ignorant people that body is the Self.
    Gyanam - knowledge
    dehatmagyanabaadhakam - that which removes the knowledge that body is the Self.
    atmaani in Self, pure consciousness...
    eva alone
    bhavet - takes place
    yasya .. whose
    sah he
    na ichan api muchyate ... is liberated even if he is not desiring (for it)

    when a man is firmly convinced of his identity with the Self [Awareness] as an ordinary man is convinced of his identity with the body, he is liberated even if he does not wish for it!
    -------------------> Translation by Tejomayananda , vedanta panchadasi chapter 7, verse 20.

    As long as i equate myself with mind, this knowledge conviction does not take place.

    And queer thing is the knowledge can only take place in mind in the form of conviction .... this is verse 21 ...
    So Vedanta Panchadasi could be referred to if you like to ... it has some interesting revelations.
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  4. #14

    Re: Reveling as Self

    Namaste,

    "The veil-
    Under the veil-
    Beyond the veil-

    Who else?"

    JAI MATA DI
    || जय माता की ||

  5. #15

    Re: Reveling as Self

    WAKING AND DREAM STATES ARE TOTALLY EQUAL:
    YOGA VASISHTA:

    Yoga Vasishta:
    svapne nimagnadhiirjantuH pashyati sthirataa.N yathaa |
    sargasvapne magnabuddhiH pashyati sthirataa.N tathaa|| (285)


    स्वप्ने निमग्नधीर्जन्तुः पश्यति स्थिरताँ यथा।
    सर्गस्वप्ने मग्नबुद्धिः पश्यति स्थिरताँ तथा॥



    As a person whose mind is merged in the dream sees the stability of the dream, so also the one whose mind is merged in the dream like universes sees it to be stable.



    --------------------------

    Yoga Vasishta:
    jaagratsvapnadashaabhedo na sthiraasthirate vinaa|
    samaH sadaiva sarvatra samasto.anubhavo.anayoH || (303)


    जाग्रत्स्वप्नदशाभेदो न स्थिरास्थिरते विना।
    समः सदैव सर्वत्र समस्तोऽनुभवोऽनयोः॥



    There is no difference between waking and dreaming states except for stability and instability. The combined (whole) experience of these two is the same always and everywhere.
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  6. #16

    Re: Reveling as Self

    LOGICAL REASONING IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT:

    उपविश्योपविश्यैकचित्तकेन मुहुर्मुहुः।
    न शक्यते मनो जेतुँ विन युक्तिम्-अनिन्दिताम्॥

    [Laghu yoga vasishta 28.126]


    By repeatedly bringing the mind back to One-pointedness, it cannot be conquered unless one is equipped with faultless reasoning [scriptural reasoning in the context]


    अङ्कुशेन विना मत्तो यथा दुष्टमतङ्गजः।
    विजेतुँ शक्यते नैव तथ युकत्याविना मनः॥

    [Laghu Yoga vasishta 28.127]
    The mind cannot be brought under control without the application of reasoning even as a vicious elephant in rut cannot be controlled without using the hook.


    Thats why Vasishta suggests:
    अध्यात्मविध्यधिगमः सधुसँगम एव च।
    वासनासँपरित्यागः प्रणस्पन्दनिशेधनम्॥
    एतास्तु युक्तयः पुष्टाः सन्ति चितजये किल॥



    Study of Scriptures, Company of the Holy, renunciation of desires and control of vital energy are the perfect
    means to conquer the mind

    [LYV 28.128 & 129 first line].
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  7. #17

    Re: Reveling as Self

    सुखमास्ते सुखं शेते
    सुखमायाति याति च।
    सुखं वक्ति सुखं भुंक्ते
    व्यवहारेऽपि शान्तधीः॥१८- ५९॥




    Happy he stands, happy he sits, happy sleeps and happy he comes and goes. Happy he speaks, and happy he eats. Such is the life of a man at peace.॥59॥


    Happy = "Out of inner completeness"


    ----------------> Ashtavakra Gita chapter 18 verse 59
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  8. #18

    Re: Reveling as Self

    The other day somebody had brought a toy from U.S when it is switched on, it moves around crazily in all directions. It was put inside a plastic bag and placed on floor. The plastic bag started moving crazily too. IT is obvious that it was not the plastic bag which was moving but it was the toy inside which was driving it in different directions.



    In the same way, if you are a cry baby (inside - an unhappy person within) , when you get married, you cry as a married man; you remain a bachelor and you cry as a bachelor; if you are rich, you cry as a rich person; if you are poor, you lament your poverty.

    ---> Swami Suddhananda
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  9. #19

    Re: Reveling as Self

    The consciousness is, the object is, the thought is, the body is, the sense organs are. There is no mutual resistance among them untiil the "I" thought , the individuality appears on the scene. The "I" thought, the seer, the onlooker, the thinker taking on a particular role starts messing around with the sense object world. Meddling with thoughts, denouncing, accepting, rejecting, branding, involving yourself in various ways , you loose sight of your Self. If the individuality does not speak within, the whole universe would be absolutely quiet.



    ----> Swami Suddhananda
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

  10. #20

    Re: Reveling as Self

    Please listen to this secret , with great alertness: Ribhu Gita, chapter 8
    इदँ प्रपञ्चँ यत् किञ्चित् यः शृणोति च पश्यति।
    दृश्यरूपँ च दृग्रूपँ सर्वँ शशविषाणवत्॥
    Whatever traces of this world one hears or one sees of it, the form that is seen and the form of seer are all like horns of a hare
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

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