This is where language fails. Does Cosmic Consciousness perceive itself as a person or is "it" pure, disembodied awareness. The answer is that unity cannot be described by a thought-system that is inherently dualistic. The answer is never the answer. A lot of people over the millinia have thought that they have found the ultimate answer, but all they really found were words. It is human nature to get overly exited about them. If one seeks the Mystery instead of the answer, one will always be seeking. The need for Mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
P.S. This is not to say that philosophy cannot be interesting, or even inspiring. It's just important to remember that the ultimate cannot, and never will, be adequately expressed in words. It can only be experienced. This is why we are here, and the journey back to unity is the highest gift the gods can bestow. Experience of the transcendent is the greatest bliss. There are, of course, many different "skillful means" to achieve this.
This body will end in ashes.
Om.
Oh purpose remember,
Oh deed remember.
Namaste,
I must say; for all the empirical proof of reality other than that which illusions are worth; these plastic typewriter like thingies upon which we are communicating, are very handy device type illusions.
Kind regards.
8i8
Namaste,
On another note:
I like to muse that; given current accepted scientific axioms, a Stradivarius violin defies scientific logic, because it is not reproducable under experimental conditions ...
Why are those master luthier so very rare?
8i8
Yeah they have invented it in their dreams.
According to contemporary teacher Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, all appearances perceived during the whole life of an individual, through all senses, including sounds, smells, tastes and tactile sensations in their totality, are like a big dream. It is claimed that, on careful examination, the dream of life and regular nightly dreams are not very different, and that in their essential nature there is no difference between them.
Dear savithru ji and Friends,
It is indeed undoubtedly true that this world is a Dream and nothing more!
People who disagree should read : Vaitathya prakaranam of mandukya upanishad and Yoga Vasishta Maha Ramayanam !
That said, when we are discussing about science , we are discussing at one level... and we should not drag a higher level idea into it.
Its like ... suppose i am playing the role of a rama and someone asks "are you rama or hanuman" and i say "i am neither" ... the question was within the context... he wants to know what am i in the drama ... same way... we should be clear of the context.
Science is the "LAW" of this world [this dream]. The "LAW" or the "ORDER" is ... what is being observed and formalized.
Even in your dream ... your dream law holds true ! within the context there is a certain law... may be different from this world !!
So ... while we do not disagree that the world is a dream... when we are talking about science the context is different ...
Love!
Silence
Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep
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Namaste,
Closing thread as the discussion has drifted from OP.
satay
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