differing views...

[silence_speaks]

Namaste

I do not generally criticize anyone on their chosen spritual path unless it goes against another persons freedom to express his chosen path.

I do not possess the necessary information to either understand or to criticize the information provided by you. But with what ever the little information gained in my short stint at HDF, fully convinced to say that few posts of yours cross the borders of healthy debate.

As much Advaita is not the only truth other philosophies are also not the ONLY available truth.

I am not criticizing the information that is provided nor the provider, but the tone in which it is been presented and also in certain areas where it is purely unwarranted need to be polished.

Smaranam has the right to walk or dance along with Krishna and you have the right to dissolve or sink with Krishna.

The same way I have the right to live in bondage because what you perceive as danger or pride is my humble way to interact with the one I love.

Dear Anirudh ji,
Can you please explain how this comment is related to my previous comment or the comments on this thread ?

What is it about the tone of my message ? Please do point out which few words have prompted you to feel likewise so that I can see if it needs to be corrected and take an appropriate decision.

You have full right over what ever path you choose. Where did i deny that ? Who am i to deny that either ?

Finally, If Advaita is not the only Truth and one could follow what ever one wants to and still find Liberation, Why do you think Shankara went about rejecting non-advaitic ideas ?

Love!
Silence

[Anirudh]

Namaste

shastra vasanas of three
types are dangerous

How and when can the recitation of Veda or study of scriptures or following ritual turn into a mania for the same. My intensity wont be same as yours. So what is the parameter that differentiate the same acts from being considered as mania and normal.

Why do you think Shankara went about rejecting non-advaitic ideas
That's not in my circle of influence. If Ramanuja rejected Advaita there should have been a reason and that shouldn't be in your circle of influence either.

Finally in this discussion what was the need to add up those three vasanas that.may hurt the sentiments of those spritual practitioners who actively recite Vedas and other scriptures?

For eg, people walk over live coal or pierce their body as a method to express their love and respect for their preferred deity.

That act can be seen as a imania for rituals as you haven't defined rituals either. That means you have indirectly hurt the sentiments of those devotees.

I am not interested to argue whether Advaita is the best or not, but I am against the idea of someone expecting directly or indirectly to shun away from other practices. And that's what you were trying to do in a thread where the OP has completely a different need. Where is the need to sully dvaita?


In all probability Madhava must have gained more knowledge than many of us here. And if he thinks, dvaita is the way we must respect his views. Because he read the same scriptures what Sankar read but came up with different conclusion.

If we can't because we follow other tradition we have no right to say it is the cause for all sufferings... After all that post has nothing to do with a debate on Advaita vs Dvaita...

"Dvaita mulam aho dhukkam ", says
ashtavakra gita... duality is the root
cause of intense suffering

http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...2&postcount=23

[silence_speaks]

Dear Anirudh ji,
Namasthe!

Science has to reject a few million ideas before reaching to what is more accurate. and as they do so they do not feel sentimental about those ideas nor are they worried that it would hurt some people. In what you mentioned, BTW, not one statement is mine own. For example:

1. That shastra vasanas of three types are dangerous is not my statement here. This is what is the advaita explanation. you should be able to find it if you dig deep enough into some advaita texts.

2. I have literally translated "Vyasanam" as "mania", which could have better been translated as addiction. So that was also a literal translation and nothing more.

3. I would like to quote what I have said about these three vasanas :

These do have an indirect role in gaining self knowledge but they become obstructions, the movement they themselves assume the dimention of a goal.

This is the view of Advaita Acharyas.

4. "Dvaita mulam aho dhukkam ", says
ashtavakra gita... duality is the root
cause of intense suffering

That is ashtavakra Gita quote. I added nothing to it. Ashtavakra Gita says it!


So ... to sum it up ... its the language of Advaita Acharyas and Ashtavakra Gita that u find as hurting or troubling!

I am just repeating what the Advaita Acharyas are saying ... it is not my language that is hurting u. Its the language of the Advaita Acharyas. I only present it as it is !!

Advaita is not "All Accepting "... Advaita "Rejects" wrong views. If rejection of wrong views hurts someone ... should one stop presenting Advaita itself ? Acceptance of wrong views also hurts someone , in a more dangerous ways !

How do we decide if it is a wrong view ? By proper investigation. I welcome you to investigate and reject if something is a wrong view ... Viveka involves rejection of certain ideas as wrong! There is no choice in this. one cannot be nice and accepting all ideas. it would be more dangeroous and harmful to accept wrong ideas !

Love!
Silence

[Anirudh]

Namaate Moderators

Silence Speaks has no right to comment on others belief by quoting some Advatic scriptural data. Such discussion will only call for un wanted debates. If we tolerate this style then every member can quote some text that would offend others.

If this discussion or the other thread I have quoted as breach of rules were in Advaita sub forum I wouldnt have commented.

Here with I am expressing my views so that moderators can regulate the flow of thoughts and information.

I have been clearly stating that my intentions were not to belittle any of our Acharyas but using their wisdom to change the course of discussion shouldn't be allowed.

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Namaste Silence Speaks

I thought I am communicating to an individual who will take responsibilities of his own actions, but it is unfortunate to have met someone who hides behind scriptures.

I don't indulge in activities that is as useless as trying to wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep instead feel pity on their shallow integrity.

When you sent me a PM this after noon, thought of deleting my post so as not to spoil Yajvan's thread. If you were true to your intentions either would have sent me this reply as a PM or would have kept quite like your handle name implies.

But the intensity of arrogance expressed in your reply has brought out the real self in you. Truly unfortunate.

Now it is upto moderators and other members to decide the future of this non verbal exchanges.

Dear Anirudh ji,
Namasthe!

Science has to reject a few million ideas before reaching to what is more accurate. and as they do so they do not feel sentimental about those ideas nor are they worried that it would hurt some people. In what you mentioned, BTW, not one statement is mine own. For example:

1. That shastra vasanas of three types are dangerous is not my statement here. This is what is the advaita explanation. you should be able to find it if you dig deep enough into some advaita texts.

2. I have literally translated "Vyasanam" as "mania", which could have better been translated as addiction. So that was also a literal translation and nothing more.

3. I would like to quote what I have said about these three vasanas :

This is the view of Advaita Acharyas.

4. "Dvaita mulam aho dhukkam ", says
ashtavakra gita... duality is the root
cause of intense suffering

That is ashtavakra Gita quote. I added nothing to it. Ashtavakra Gita says it!


So ... to sum it up ... its the language of Advaita Acharyas and Ashtavakra Gita that u find as hurting or troubling!

I am just repeating what the Advaita Acharyas are saying ... it is not my language that is hurting u. Its the language of the Advaita Acharyas. I only present it as it is !!

Advaita is not "All Accepting "... Advaita "Rejects" wrong views. If rejection of wrong views hurts someone ... should one stop presenting Advaita itself ? Acceptance of wrong views also hurts someone , in a more dangerous ways !

How do we decide if it is a wrong view ? By proper investigation. I welcome you to investigate and reject if something is a wrong view ... Viveka involves rejection of certain ideas as wrong! There is no choice in this. one cannot be nice and accepting all ideas. it would be more dangeroous and harmful to accept wrong ideas !

Love!
Silence

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~
namasté

I thought to offer the following as a learning experience to the conversation that is transpiring in the posts above. It is not to find fault or embarrass anyone; it is a learning experience for our HDF members who wish to improve their approach to their offers. Recall that the jalpa folder is a place for differences and contesting, but is does not suggest spanking is allowed ( especially by me).

Our goal on HDF and as contributors is clarity, formulated by good communication skills; this falls on the shoulders of the writer. It is our responsibility to communicate to the reader in a way that brings out the knowledge in a reliable manner.

If we base some or all of our posts on the works of another, or on the knowledge of a particular āgama, śāstra or śloka it is our responsibility to point the reader to that work, verse, or chapter. We should not ask our reader to go look for it ; our position within the post is predicated on that knowledge or quote that is offered. The writer does the 'digging', the reader does the reading.


If we use words that can be interpreted in several ways, then add a footnote of the other interpretations and the one you are focusing on.


iti śivaṁ

[silence_speaks]

Dear Yajvan ji,
Thanks for moving it here. I really appreciate your efforts on this.

A Quote is given if someone asks for it ... particularly because i too have to dig into some books before quoting it. For me to put in that effort, someone's intention should be to know. Some quotes we remember on the top of our mind and quote directly:

"Dvaita Mulam aho dukkam" ...

now ... Anirudh ji is unhappy with this ... i already said its from Ashtavakra Gita. Now, if someone is unhappy with this quote, its not my fault... Ashtavakra needs to be questions


There cannot be 10 truths ... there is 1 Truth ... Only 1... if its "Relative" ... thats unreal, mithya!!

Love!
Silence