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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpsycho View Post
    So how would you go about differentiating between a delusional, hallucinatory experience, and a real one, caused by an actual interaction with an almighty deity; taking into account that subjective experiences like this are utterly unverifiable?
    Namaste,

    Don't worry, there are specific practices in Hinduism that make us differentiate between the imaginary (mithya) and the real (satya).

    No, I'll not tell you more about them. However, it is a lot more like a maestro teaching his pupil the art of painting; he says, "son, first prove yourself competent by depicting the world as it is - be it landscapes or portraits - and then you are ready (Adhikari) to go on creating your own masterpieces."

    Similarly, Sat never leaves a Bhakta even while he/she is an Adhikari on the mystical adventure.



    P.S.: no need to reply, this isn't a conversation.
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear friends ,
    The proof of God's existence is one thing which is highly impossible to give. When one is hungry , one has to eat the food . No amount of the description of food relieves the pangs of hunger. The same way, when a person wants proof , he has to make a foray in to the spiritual path. It is one thing which is felt but can't be shown .
    If some body tries to show, it is not the proof but cheap gimmick , or at the most siddhi , which does not contribute to the truth.

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpsycho View Post
    So how would you go about differentiating between a delusional, hallucinatory experience, and a real one, caused by an actual interaction with an almighty deity; taking into account that subjective experiences like this are utterly unverifiable?
    Dear MaxPsycho & Friends,


    I really like this argument.

    Vedanta argues on exactly same lines ... it says "Experiences" cannot be differentiated from "Hallucinations". Entire Mandukya karikas along with the Bhasyas are on this aspect only.

    Its unfortunate that people do not recognize this simple fact.
    Any experience, however real it might appear, is not differentiable from a hallucination.

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    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    These arguments are so old and cannot be answered by an objective study or debate, max phsyco you either have an experience and work from that or you do not have an experience and do not work on others, its that simple...

    It would be worth while to read the link I posted it may shed some light to what your saying or trying to probe, but I only see logic which in and of itself is never really reflective of an experience, nothing that your saying is even original, its just a trap of intellectualism.

    Personally I think your logic is at the bottom of the rung because its purely objective, when the deepest part of us is subjective in the phenomenal range of what we can measure, so why would two experiences ever be the same, essence can be transmitted via communication and the more ability one has in this essence the easier it is to communicate, the less ability one has it becomes an impossible subject to investigate or perceive. Its just like that, and will always be like that.

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear friend , That is the exact problem . those who experience do not bother to prove and those who do not experience can't prove .
    All those who try to explain are in the middle path . For that matter , there are many mysteries in the nature which do not have
    a tangible proof .

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear markandeya 108 dasa & saswathy,
    All Experiences are hallucinatory - unreal.
    There is no specific experience called the "Experience of God"

    In fact , if "Isavasyam idam sarvam" ... then there is no way that you can miss the experience of God -- you already have it. If at all you still seem to think that the experience of God is not there, its merely a lack of recognition. Its like the story of Tulasidasa

    Tulasidasa used to chant rama nama during his morning ablutions and pour water near a tree. Hearing his chanting of Rama Nama every day, a Brahma Rakshashi on the tree got free from its curse. So it appeared before Tulasi, thanked him and asked him to seek a boon within its limits. Tulasi Dasa asked the Rakshashi to show him Rama.

    "I cannot show you Rama, but I can tell you one thing. Every day as teach Ramayana, Hanuman comes in the form of a leper and sits at one corner of your assembly. He might be able to help.", the Rakshashi said.

    The next day Tulasidas catches hold of Hanuman in the form of leper and pleads him to show Rama. So Hanuman says "Ok, tomorrow you shall see Rama". The next day, as Tulasi was going about , Rama walked past him in the opposite direction , but Tualsidas missed him ! HE saw him and yet missed him!

    In the evening, he once again requested Hanuman to show him Rama. Hanuman said "You saw him and yet did not recognize him, tomorrow you shall see again"...

    the next day as Tulasidas was preparing Sandalwood, sri Rama came to him and asked him for a little of Sandalwood. Tulasidas gave him Sandalwood and yet did not recognize Rama ! This time, since Hanuman did not want him to miss ... he sat on the tree and chanted "Tulasi is indeed fortunate, Rama himself appeared to him to ask for Sandalwood"!!

    Only then did he recognize.

    We do not lack the experience of God. You can see him in the eyes of the poor person who sought some food from you, in the eyes of the child, in the eyes of your friends and foes... in your own eyes ... the one who is seeing through those eyes is God Himself !!

    infact ... right now you are in the embrace of God ... but if we still think we lack the experience of God, its not a problem with experience but with the recognition of God , recognition of God's presence !!

    For a moment if you remain in the present moment and look at anything ... you remain as mere presence, here and now ... it remains as presence ... that is God ! The Experience of God.

    You meet God everyday 24 7 ... but you do not meet him with a bow and arrow or with a tail or a snake wound around the neck ... so you miss him!!

    One day, i was meditating and pleading God to appear before me ... and it was suddenly as if God said "Why don't you recognize my formless Presence"! After that I never sought God to appear before me , because he is everywhere ! Everywhere !! You just cannot miss him!

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear friend ,

    what I said you have put in other words . Call it experience , call it real , call it hallociation , all amounts to one thing .What is an anubhuthi to one person could be a halluciation to another . Now the non believers can say that the words of formless entity which you heard are hallociation

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear saswathy ji,
    Anubhuti or anubhavam does not mean experience. That is an inaccurate translation -- just like sraddha is translated as faith!

    anu = prefix that says "Following", following "Sravana-Manana"
    Bhav = To be!

    To "Be" Following Sravana-Manana is Anubhavam !

    Sruti-Yukti-Anubhava ... correspond to Sravana-Manana-Nidhidhyasana.

    So Anubhava or Anubhuti does not really mean an experience but it means "To Be" ... "Just Be , in Ramana's words" !!

    Infact it has nothing to do with experience.

    The Truth as taught by vedanta is not a matter of belief ... its not dismissible as hallucination ... its solidly reasoned out and well established!

    to say "Everything is unreal" falls into Bertrand russell's paradox and is illogical statement.

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear friend ,
    ANUBHUTHI is not experience, but anubhavam is experience . Anubhavam can be explained but anubhuthi can't be explained .There is a very remote chance for proving anubhavam but no such thing is possible for anubhuthi , since it is highly personal .Any way there is no point in trying to prove a thing which can't be proved with the limited human intellect , knowledge and reasoning.

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    Re: Prove God exists, how?

    Dear saswathy ji,


    Both Anubhuti and Anubhavam point to the same "Self Abidance", following Sravana-Manana.
    Neither refer to experience.

    God is beyond intellect implies he need not be captured with the intellect, because God is Self Evident. It just goes to mean that intellect only serves to eliminate wrong cognition!!

    If God is beyond mind, how does any one know about God ? Everyone knows about God because God is Self Evident. Intellect only is needed to remove wrong notions.

    Love!
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    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

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