Does "Bharat-Varsha" refer to India, or the entire planet?

[SKR108]

namaskar

I see the term Bharat-Varsha applied to only India in some cases, but I've also seen it refer to the "world," or planet by others, usually by western followers of different dharma traditions, most notably ISKCON.

For people who believe the former is true, how do you reconcile that with the idea that the Supreme being described in shastras is indeed a universal deity and not just the God of Indians?

For people who believe the latter is true, why have none of the avatars appeared in any place outside India? Why do shastras only speak of holy places within the subcontinent and nowhere else?

[hinduism♥krishna]

According to Puruna, Bharatavarsha refers to India only .. The name itself speaks much. In Sanskrit 'Varsha' means specific region. That means the specific region on this earth.

[Kalicharan Tuvij]

namaskar

I see the term Bharat-Varsha applied to only India in some cases, but I've also seen it refer to the "world," or planet by others, usually by western followers of different dharma traditions, most notably ISKCON.

For people who believe the former is true, how do you reconcile that with the idea that the Supreme being described in shastras is indeed a universal deity and not just the God of Indians?

For people who believe the latter is true, why have none of the avatars appeared in any place outside India? Why do shastras only speak of holy places within the subcontinent and nowhere else?

Namaskar,

Bharata means, "light-giver". BharataVarsha means, "the land of light". On a mundane level, it means, "the East". But to be accurate, BharataVarsha means vrihata Bharata including all those Eastern nations which fall into Ramayana zone of influence.

Then there is AryaVrata. Arya means, "the dark divine Sun" (don't ask me how ). Mundanely, "the West". Accurately, the vrihata Arya desha including all those western nations that fell under Arya domain of influence.

In the beginning, however, the terms "west" and "east" exclusively meant the west and the east of India (Mother India), respectively. That would be pretty much the "prehistory of mankind".(don't ask me how )

So, in the modern times it is no surprise that there is some confusion regarding these words. Clearly, more orthodox Hindus (read mostly native born) will equate AryaVarta to BharataVarsha to present confines of India - this view is well justified by observing that Dharma's influence has totally vanished outside India.

Then there are some Sadhus still residing in India, who know much much more, things that are very powerful and perhaps shouldn't be told.

Finally, there will be people like me, who would.. well, not now

[SKR108]

Namaskar,

Bharata means, "light-giver". BharataVarsha means, "the land of light". On a mundane level, it means, "the East". But to be accurate, BharataVarsha means vrihata Bharata including all those Eastern nations which fall into Ramayana zone of influence.

Then there is AryaVrata. Arya means, "the dark divine Sun" (don't ask me how ). Mundanely, "the West". Accurately, the vrihata Arya desha including all those western nations that fell under Arya domain of influence.

In the beginning, however, the terms "west" and "east" exclusively meant the west and the east of India (Mother India), respectively. That would be pretty much the "prehistory of mankind".(don't ask me how )

So, in the modern times it is no surprise that there is some confusion regarding these words. Clearly, more orthodox Hindus (read mostly native born) will equate AryaVarta to BharataVarsha to present confines of India - this view is well justified by observing that Dharma's influence has totally vanished outside India.

Then there are some Sadhus still residing in India, who know much much more, things that are very powerful and perhaps shouldn't be told.

Finally, there will be people like me, who would.. well, not now

Interesting, thank you.

Personally I am of the belief that at one point in time, vedic civilization was present everywhere on the planet, but at present is confined to the subcontinent.

Is it possible that in every Manuvantara, Manu manifests in different parts of the planet, and in this particular Manuvantara, that place happens to be India? This is pure speculation on my part, I was just wondering if it has any basis in authorized scriptures or whatever.

[Sudas Paijavana]

Namaste,

namaskar

I see the term Bharat-Varsha applied to only India in some cases, but I've also seen it refer to the "world," or planet by others, usually by western followers of different dharma traditions, most notably ISKCON.

In "some cases"? How can Bharat=Historical India 99.99% of the time be "some"?

For people who believe the former is true, how do you reconcile that with the idea that the Supreme being described in shastras is indeed a universal deity and not just the God of Indians? For people who believe the latter is true, why have none of the avatars appeared in any place outside India? Why do shastras only speak of holy places within the subcontinent and nowhere else?

Reconciliation is necessary mostly for those that wish to make compatibility, either knowingly or unknowingly, of two or more things that would not have traditionally been brought together. Either way, whether or not the deva-s traversed only certain regions of the world does not tarnish the sublimity of Dharma. In other words, the proud virya is well-comforted by the impenetrable chainmail of Dharma.

[hinduism♥krishna]

Namaste,

Puranas praises Bharatavarsha as Mokshabhumi and says that even gods wish to take birth in bharatavarsha in vaidik families. Such birth is a sure way to moksha. It is knows as Mokshabhumi as most of the people here attains moksha. Birth in Bharata is the highest as one is born in Brahmana, Kshatriya and Vaishya varna.

Lets see what puranas say. Following words are extractions from Puranas.

"Puranas mention India as the landmass that stretches from the snowy peaks of Himalayas to the splashing Indian Ocean. Bharatavarsha has nine divisions named Indradweep, Kaseru, Tamraparn, Gamastiman, Nagdweep, Soumya, Gandharva, Varun and Yahadweep which is surrounded by the sea and has an expansion of 1000 Yojans. In the eastern part of Bharata, live Kirat whereas in the western part live Yavans. In the Bharata, live population of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras who pass their lives engage in works ascribed to their respective class. So as people who've varna lives only in Bharatavarsha, Vishnu takes avatara in India."

"Four yugas namely Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapar Yuga and Kali Yuga descend on Bharatavarsha. In Bharatavarsha, sages observe penance to attain better life in another world, people organise Yagyas and offer donations to the Brahmins respectfully. In Jambudweep, Lord Vishnu is worshipped in Yagyas. Bharatavarsha is the land par excellence in Jambudweep for it is a land of action. Soul passes through millions of births, only then it finds a chance to take birth in Bharatavarsha when its pious deeds accumulate to a certain extent. Even the gods envy those people who take birth in Bharatavarsha. People in Bharatavarsha act without a desire to get fruits from their action. They dedicate their whole action to Lord Vishnu and ultimately mingle with Him. "

From Markandeya Purana : " Bharatavarsha is the only country in the whole world where all the four yugas- Satya, Treta, Dwapar, and Kali occur in a cyclic way. Bharatavarsha is the root of all forms of divinity where deities reside and almighty God takes incarnation."

"Beyond the boundaries of Bharatavarsha live the disbelievers (Non-aryan,that is, those who disbelieve in the Vedas). To the east live the kiratas and to the west live the yavanas.
Bharatavarsha is populated by brahmanas, kshatriyas, vaishyas and shudras. There are seven major mountain ranges in Bharatavarsha. These are known as Mahendra, Malaya, Sahya, Shaktimana, Riksha, Vindhya and Paripatra. "

It's wort to note that we got something. According to Purana, non-aryan are those people whose homeland isn't India. Another refutation to AIT..

Only Hindus are Arya.


Such is the glory of India.
Hail to our Mother, Bharata.

[markandeya 108 dasa]

Pranams

HLK

"Only Hindus are Arya"

This may not go down well with people who are born outside of India, would it also include Indians who have not taken birth in India.

The Daoist tradition grew up independently from Hindu culture, would you also say that they are not not noble. Also what about the Ancient Egyptians. Both these were very advanced cultures.

Ys

Md

[goodlife]

I too have this confusion over late. I think Krishna in Gita keeps referring to Arjun as Oh Bharata..some translate it as king of the world.

maybe the knowledgeable can clarify.

[hinduism♥krishna]

PranAm Markendeya

Pranams

HLK

"Only Hindus are Arya"

This may not go down well with people who are born outside of India, would it also include Indians who have not taken birth in India.

Most probably yes, because we see much differences between Indian and western born Hindus.

The Daoist tradition grew up independently from Hindu culture, would you also say that they are not not noble. Also what about the Ancient Egyptians. Both these were very advanced cultures.

Ys

Md

They may be advanced but not more than Vaidik culture. Vaidik Hindu culture is ultimate and Lord Vishnu himself is the creator and protector of it. Other cultures are man made and developed in course of time.


Thank You

[hinduism♥krishna]

Namaste,

As I think, only Iskcons alleges that Bharatvarsha refers to whole world. I don't know the exact reason, may be to attract westerners to make them feel that Hinduism is not actually foreign to them..

Regards