Re: The dasavataras of Sri Vishnu calmed down by Lord Shiva question
Originally Posted by
Avyaydya
Namaste Viraja,
I think, we can observe the difference in their worshipers. Vaishnavas tend to be more active, more exited than Shaivas. And Lord Vishnu tends to make his worshipers work harder than Lord Shiva. Simply look at this forum which of the two are more active. Vaishnavas can really get annoyed by those lazy ganga smoking Shaivas. Even if they have given up worldly desires, why are those people not busy calling Gods name continuously? The answer is that Lord Shiva does not demand that. Shiva is called Ashutosh, the one that is pleased easily.
Namaste Avyaydya Ji,
I am so busy with some personal work that I did not login for the past few days.I got just a bit of time now and I signed in.
I am stunned to see your reply to Viraja Ji's question and I felt compelled to reply despite lack of time.
You may praise Lord Sriman Narayana profusely but there is no need to denigrate Shaivas to prove glory of Lord Vishnu.
How can you make such sweeping generalizations about Shaivas?Do you think all Shaivas have no work but smoking rubbish?
There are a number of sects in Shaivism.(Go through my post in the Shaiva forums although it does not have an exhaustive list).Some sects may have weird practices but these have declared themselves to be distinct from mainstream Vedic traditions.They do not represent the many traditional and ancient Shaiva traditions which are very disciplined,organized and conservative.
The Vaishnavism I see and know personally is very disciplined and good.In my opinion few heterodox groups don't represent all Vaishnavas.You cannot malign Shaivism just like you wish.It reflects your poor knowledge of Shaivism.I doubt if you had ever been to homes of Shaiva Grihastas(Householders) or monks or even seen a single sincere Shaiva.
Maybe you decided that Shaivism is 'blah,blah,blah' after reading some tabloid type sensationalist presentations of Shaivism by western media to slander Hinduism.
Do you know that there are many many Shaiva scriptures that stress the importance of chanting names?
I posted a link of the collection of 12 Tirumurais having 20,000 verses of Lord Shiva & Goddess Parvati.Do you know that the Vachana Sahitya(philosophical & devotional peotry) of the Veera Shaivas has about 20,000 Vachanas?Do know the stutis on Lord Shiva written by Kashmiri Shaivas such as Abhinavagupta,Utpaladeva,Kshemaraja etc.?Have you read all immense Shaiva Upanishads,Agamas,Puranas and Granthas belonging to different Saiva Sampradayas?
What do you imagine is in the Shaiva scriptural literature?Smoking,Lethargy,Idleness?Absolutely not!
How did you decide that Shaivas are inactive or do not contemplate on Lord Shiva,do you have some magical abilities or Yogic Siddhis or omniscience to know the Sadhana of Shaiva devotees in the world?
No orthodox Shaiva Sampradaya preaches lethargy nor vulgar activities.Shaivam is a strictly Vaidika system and anything that contradicts the established moral teachings of the great Rishis is categorically rejected by Shaivas.
And what made feel that Lord Shiva doesn't expect discipline from devotees?Did you find any statement in the Vedas which said that Lord Shiva declared that He does not expect devotion,discipline,Nama smarana,pure Sadhana from devotees but instructs His Bhaktas to be inactive and sit day dreaming?
You are misinterpreting the concept of Lord Shiva being easily pleased(Aushutosha) and presenting a flawed view.Why Lord Shiva is easily pleased or likes His devotees is known only to Him.Mere mortals cannot pass judgements on the actions of the Devatas as they do not have knowledge of everything that happened/happens in the universe.
The prime reason I am bothered is because I do not want other Shaivas who read your post to think that all stuff you associated with Shaivas is true and is encouraged by Shaiva scriptures and therefore imitate it and ruin their valuable life physically,mentally and spiritually.False words are very dangerous and cause people to deviate from true and pure Dharmic actions.
P.S.I may or maybe not be available in the coming days to respond to your Shaiva-bashing.
Last edited by Ram11; 09 July 2015 at 06:58 PM.
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