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    surrender or śaraṇāgati

    hariḥ om̐
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    namaste and hello,

    I was asked by a member to offer some insights to the term is śaraṇāgati. Let’s look at some of its meanings before ferreting out more knowledge on surrender and seeking protection.

    The term śaraṇāgati is to seek protection; it is another way of also saying surrender. When taken apart there is much to learn:
    śaraṇ+āgati or śara+ṇa+āgati.

    Note too that this term is a compound¹ ( or samāsa). There are all different kinds of compounds, but from a macro point of view compounds fit into 4 general groups :
    · dvandva - both members of the compound are principle
    · avyaībhāva - the 1st member is principal
    · tatpuruṣa - the 2nd member is the principal part of the compound
    · bahuvrīhiḥ - neither member is principal
    Since I am not offering ‘samāsa’ as the main topic of discussion, let’s just leave it as the terms here are compounds.

    One way to look at this
    • śaraṇ + āgati
      • note that 'n' becomes an 'ṇ' when it is preceded by an 'r'; this is a rule of grammar that is applied and used in the next bullet point.
      • we have śaraṇ which was śaran and is defined as śarad , meaning ‘time of ripening’.
      • agati = halting, and āgati = arriving.

    When viewed in this manner śaraṇ + āgati is the arrival, or , arriving at the time of ripening.

    Another view
    • śara + ṇa + āgati
      • śara = to destroy; it also means an arrow ( or shaft) , used on occasion to mean ‘ to hit the mark’ as we do with an arrow.
      • ṇa = knowledge; it also means nirvṛti , or complete satisfaction or happiness , bliss , pleasure , delight. One other definition of ṇa= nirvṛti =
      • emancipation and extinction. ‘Extinction’ is that of ignorance. To the astute reader we find this ‘ṇa’ within kṛṣṇa for the exact same reasons just offered i.e. he that brings or is emancipation, of which is pleasure and delight, complete satisfaction.
      • āgati = arriving.


    When viewed in this manner śara + ṇa + āgati is arriving, hitting the mark of ‘ṇa’ or emancipation; or arriving at ṇa (knowledge) the destruction (śara) or extinction (nirvṛti) of ignorance. We can see this is the final ‘ripening’.

    This is a start... so with the next post we can consider the notion of surrender, & seeking protection.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ



    1. Samples of English compounds you may be familiar with:
    noun + noun bedroom
    water tank
    motorcycle
    printer cartridge
    noun + verb rainfall
    haircut
    train-spotting
    noun + adverb hanger-on
    passer-by
    verb + noun washing machine
    driving licence
    swimming pool
    verb + adverb lookout
    take-off
    drawback
    adverb + noun onlooker
    bystander
    adjective + verb dry-cleaning
    public speaking
    adjective + noun greenhouse
    software
    redhead
    adverb + verb output
    overthrow
    upturn
    input

    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: surrender or śaraṇāgati

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    To surrender one must ask why surrender ?

    • to whom?
    • is it (surrendering) linked to bhakti ?
    • what is being surrendered?
    • is it partial or full ?
    • what is the expectation ?

    These are a few questions that could be on a person’s mind...

    For many, it is done when one is at the end of their rope. This could be from sorrow, fear, angst, grief and the like. This is one end of the spectrum. Yet there is another end also. Let’s call out a few; keep in mind post 1 above for what part of śaraṇāgati is being pursued.

    • Draupadī

    draupadī ,( also known as kṛṣṇā draupadī ) is ordered to be dis-robed by the mandate of duryodhana putting her to great embarrassment. She asks for help from kṛṣṇa. This HDF post & the 15th post reviews the condition http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthr...260#post109260 . I then will not need to re-write the post here.
    One could make the argument that draupadī’s śaraṇāgati is for śaraṇāgati overall (to seek protection) & for śaraṇāgati, the destruction of her grief and embarrassment.


    • King janaka

    If you recall a post on muni aṣṭāvakra-ji and his instruction king janaka :
    http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthr...655#post128655
    Here we have the example of surrender for śaraṇāgati (nirvṛti or emancipation)


    • Arjuna's words (bhāgavad gītā 2.7):

    kārpaṇyadoṣopahatasvabhāvaḥ
    pṛcchāmi tvāṃ dharmasaṃmūḍhacetāḥ |
    yac chreyaḥ syān niścitaṃ brūhi tan me
    śiṣyastehaṃ śādhi māṃ tvāṃ prapannam || 2.7

    ... tell me O’Lord what is best (śreyas) for me


    When arjuna’s intellect cannot see a way out, he surrenders, and asks, 'tell me what is best for me'. His surrender is śaraṇāgati – knowledge that leads to proper actions (dharma).


    • Question to rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi
      Let’s look at another example. I ask the reader for their views on this matter and where or if śaraṇāgati has its engagement here:

    Q: (As) men of the world we are, we have some kind of grief or another and do not get over it. We pray to God and still we are not satisfied. What can we do?
    rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi: Trust in God.

    Q: We surrender, but still there is no help.
    rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi: if you have surrendered you must be able to abide by the will of God and not make an issue of what may or many not please you.

    Q: But we are worldly. There is a wife, children, friends, relatives. We cannot ignore their existence and resign ourselves to Divine Will without retaining a little of the personality in us.
    rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi: That means you have not surrendered as professed by you. You must trust only in God.

    There are lessons learned in all the examples above... Let me ask the HDF reader for their views on this matter and we will continue the conversation.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ


    1. From 'Talks with rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi' - first addition from the year 2000; talks actually occurred in April 1935.
    Last edited by yajvan; 17 October 2016 at 12:29 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: surrender or śaraṇāgati

    hariḥ om̐
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    namaste and hello

    what is surrender? Rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi informs us that surrender is to give oneself up to the original cause of one’s being. One’s source is within one’s self. Seek the source and merge with it he says. In seeking the source he calls out 4 possible ways pending the aspirant’s temperament & focus:
    • vicara marga
    • bhakti
    • pranayam
    • karma marga

    We will look at these 4 in an upcoming post.

    Rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi too mentions that surrender is bhakti; then mentions a ‘man should surrender the personal selfishness which binds him to this world. Giving up the false self is the true renunciation.’ So we are getting closer to what one is giving up .

    To gain a more robust insight I look to utpaladevācārya¹ and his work (or direct experience) called śivastortāvalī for support.
    He calls out in the 7th chapter (called viduravijaya nāmadheyaṁ saptamaṁ stortram)¹, 3 things:
    • let the rope or chain (gala) of the darkness of differentiated perceptions be destroyed completely
    • let unboundedness universal freedom rise in my heart ( heart or hṛdaye, is code for consciousness)
    • let my individuality be soaked in the rasa of God Consciousness


    So, there is this alignment of rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi & utpaladevācārya on this notion of the smallness of individuality, or selfishness.
    Selfishness is another way of saying ‘me’ and ‘mine’ as one’s frame of reference for everything. That is, one's frame of reference for all things that occurs is always filtered though the notion of who one thinks they are ('me')/

    One more luminary says it slightly differently but no doubt compliments the views just offered. Śrī nisargadatta maharāj said, to know the world you forget the SELF; to know the SELF you forget the world. Now the ‘code’ that the wise use for differentiated/fractured awareness is ‘world’. It is the home of diversity. When we view it in ignorance we only see an amalgamation of things. These things ( person, place, thing, actions, feelings) fall on our differentiated awareness and multiple thought-feeling-impressions occur again and again. So, what śrī nisargadatta maharāj is saying to know the SELF and ‘forget’ the world is to turn within and experience ( once again) one’s wholeness of awareness and this is named SELF.

    Now there is much more we can say on this matter , but this is a foothold on the notion of surrender.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ

    Reference books
    • 'Talks with rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi' - first addition - year 2000; talks occurring January 1936
    • ‘A Search In Secret India’ - Paul Brunton, discussions with Rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi is chapter 9, ‘ The hill of the holy beacon’.
    • utpaladevācārya – utpala+deva+ācārya utpala = blossoming, any flower + deva = divine, of highest excellence + ācārya is the master, knowing or teaching the ācāra or rules, the spiritual guide
      • utpaladevācārya was a luminary within kaśmir śaivism. This work I am quoting from is the śivastortāvalī is devotional to its core · it is said that utpaladevācārya use to be brought out on to Dal Lake by his sevaka’s ( disciples); there he would voice the hymns that came to him, the outpouring of a śiva-bhakta; this came to be the śivastortāvalī. The hymns where in no particular order . his śiṣya-s (students) wrote down the verses/hymns and re-arranged them accordingly into 20 chapters.

    • vidhuravijaya nāmadheyaṁ saptamaṁ stortram = the title (nāmadheyaṁ) of 7th praise or hymn (saptamaṁ stortram) to conquer (vijaya) helplessness (vidhura); vidhura is also = vyākulatā = agitation , bewilderment.
    • Śrī nisargadatta’s book ‘ I Am That’.

    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Namaste

    This is a very important or to say the core concept of Sri Vaishnavism.
    Anirudh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anirudh View Post
    Namaste This is a very important or to say the core concept of Sri Vaishnavism.

    Let’s look to the words of the vaiṣṇava¹ luminary of Tamil Nadu that many are not familiar with , that of saint (sage) nammāḻvār-ji .
    The term āḻvār ( some spell alwar) we are told are those that dive deeply into the ocean of countless qualities of the Supreme, and in this case of viṣṇuḥ.
    He says the following:
    I was in a maze, sticking to ‘I’ and ‘mine’; I wandered without knowing my SELF. On reailzing my SELF I understand that I myself am You and that ‘mine’ is only You.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ
    1. vaiṣṇava – followers of viṣṇuḥ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    hariḥ om̐
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    namaste and hello

    Let’s look to the words of the vaiṣṇava¹ luminary of Tamil Nadu that many are not familiar with , that of saint (sage) nammāḻvār-ji .
    The term āḻvār ( some spell alwar) we are told are those that dive deeply into the ocean of countless qualities of the Supreme, and in this case of viṣṇuḥ.
    He says the following:
    I was in a maze, sticking to ‘I’ and ‘mine’; I wandered without knowing my SELF. On reailzing my SELF I understand that I myself am You and that ‘mine’ is only You.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ
    1. vaiṣṇava – followers of viṣṇuḥ

    Namaste Yajvan,

    Thanks for adding that information.

    Hopefully I am not derailing into a sectarian discussion. Here we have an excellent discourse by Sri U.Ve. Krishnan Swamigal on the subject being discussed in this thread. Although there are many discourses on this subject most of them are in regional Indian language. This is one hour video, but worth every second. Another video, probably for the beginners. Another two detailed videos. Please be patient, again I say, worth every second.

    Those who can understand Tamil, please listen to this and this. If I find time, will try to locate English translations.
    Anirudh...

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    Re: surrender or śaraṇāgati

    hariḥ om̐
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    namaste and hello

    from the posts above:
    Rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi informs us that surrender is to give oneself up to the original cause of one’s being.
    but yajvan, I thought surrendering is giving one’s self up the will of the Supreme, to the will of the Lord.

    There is no conflict in what rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi says and what one thinks of surrendering to the Lord. How so? The śrīmad bhāgavad gītā & kṛṣṇaḥ -jī’s words in chapter 10, verse 20:

    aham ātmā guḍākeśa
    sarva-bhūtāsaya-sthitaḥ |
    aham ādi ś ca madhyaṁ ca
    bhūtanām anta eva ca ||


    Arjuna! (guḍākeśa¹) I am (aham) the SELF (ātmā) seated\sitting (sthitaḥ) in the hearts of all (sarva) living beings (bhūtāsaya¹) |
    I am the beginning, middle, and end of all beings || 20

    Now regarding the term ātmā ( or said this way, adhyātma – regarding the SELF) we can look at this term in many ways that will bring mischief. Yet we are talking of प्रत्यङ् pratyaṅ + आत्मा ātmā = प्रत्यङ्ङात्मा pratyaṅṅātmā or the inner SELF. Note too that there’s only one SELF even though when we tend to divide it in two for discussion purposes and this causes some mischief also. When this SELF shines through the ego and other coverings we are talking of the SELF within boundaries and we tend
    to talk of objects and subjects , different levels of experiencing the world.

    Think of a light bulb.


    The inner filament is pure light... When it touches the glass ( it’s housing) it is slightly changed yet no doubt bright and clear. This ‘glass’ housing, the first transmission of this light as it leaves its pure condition, is the intellect. From there many talk of the other sheaths or coverings of this pure element light, yet it (the coverings) is illumined by it; they has no ~life~ without this core illumination coming to it. The sheaths could be like cloths placed on top of this light-bulb that color the light...This is the ego, that which brings our color of personality and the like. Yet it is not lit without the light from the bulb's core element, SELF.

    So when kṛṣṇaḥ -jī says he is the beginnng , middle and end of all beings it can mean many-many things pending the intellect of the listener. We will not go there now , but something for one to consider.

    Hence, Arjuna! (guḍākeśa¹) I am (aham) the SELF (ātmā) seated\sitting (sthitaḥ) in the hearts of all (sarva) living beings (bhūtāsaya¹) |
    one is coming to know the Lord that is seated in all living beings and there is no conflict between rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi’s words and kṛṣṇaḥ -jī’s teaching.


    The very 1st word of the śiva sūtra-s. It says, caitanyamātmā.
    · ātmā = the reality of everything
    · caitanya = Supreme consciousness


    Know thy Self (in greek: gnōthi seauton) – Socrates (cica 400 BC)

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ

    terms
    • guḍākeśa – anoother name for arjuna, defined as ‘hero’ and also thick-haired. For those interested consider guḍā+keśa as guḍā is rooted in ‘guḍ’ , to guard protect, preserve + keśa is a lock of hair or the hair on the head; it also is the mane of a lion; kéśa is another name for viṣṇuḥ. I will let the reader assemble the terms and suggest how one gets to ‘hero’ ; ‘thick haired’ seems apparent .
    • bhūtāsaya – is not limited to just human beings; that which is or exists , any living being i.e. divine , human , animal , and even vegetable

    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: surrender or śaraṇāgati

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    namaste and hello
    Now regarding the term ātmā ( or said this way, adhyātma – regarding the SELF) we can look at this term in many ways that will bring mischief. Yet we are talking of प्रत्यङ् pratyaṅ + आत्मा ātmā = प्रत्यङ्ङात्मा pratyaṅṅātmā or the inner SELF. Note too that there’s only one SELF even though when we tend to divide it in two for discussion purposes and this causes some mischief also. When this SELF shines through the ego and other coverings we are talking of the SELF within boundaries and we tend to talk of objects and subjects , different levels of experiencing the world.
    Note what kṛṣṇaḥ -jī says,
    Arjuna! (guḍākeśa) I am (aham) the SELF (ātmā) seated\sitting (sthitaḥ) in the hearts of all (sarva) living beings (bhūtāsaya)

    He uses the term ātmā; from a grammatical point of view it is in the nominal, singular case. If kṛṣṇaḥ wanted to say he is the ‘Selves’ indicating one per living being (or individual souls) he would have used the term ātmānaḥ as it is the plural form of ātmā. In English grammar an apostrophe 's' indicates the ‘many’ or plural form of a word, so it would look ~something~ like this in English ātmā’s but this is precisely incorrect in saṃskṛtam & devanāgarī script ( in which it is written in).

    In saṃskṛtam ( which is highly inflected language) the rules are much different and we will not go into them. Yet here is the 3 forms for the nominative case (of 8 cases; nominative case = the subject)

    ______________singular___dual____plural
    Nominative case: ātmā__ātmānau__ātmānaḥ

    This is where the mischief arises as different schools view ‘soul’ or SELF, or one’s being ( or jīvaḥ¹) differently. We will not pursue this here as it takes a study of the different schools¹ – classically there’s 6 , but many-many variations; my last count was 19 on the conservative end of the list. I do not wish to over-influence the HDF reader regarding this view and encourage the reader to take some time to consider the various notions and views.

    Yet at a macro scale one can look at this in 3 ways. That is, there is only 1 Self, there is Self and the Supreme Self, or there are many sparks of light, many-many jīvāḥ¹.
    · parā – whole, full, Supreme – complete unity, paripūrṅānuttara = pari+pūrṅā+anuttara totally full where nothing can suppress it in being stainless, unbounded and pure.
    · parāpara – unity in diversity – there’s differences yet there is an underlying unity.
    · aparā – there is diversity and multiplicity of everything, idea, place, etc. – some call this out as diversity in unity, but that tends to cause some people consternation.

    For me only , my view is captured here by abhinavagupta-ji:
    A black bee alone becomes intensely fond of the sweet fragrance of the ketakī flower
    but not the honey bee. Only some having been set in motion by the Almighty
    though his grace develops interest in the utterly non-dual worship of His all-inclusive
    aspect, parama-bhairava
    || tantrāloka 4.276

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ

    terms

    • jīvaḥ

    _____________singular dual plural
    Nominative case: jīvaḥ jīvau jīvāḥ

    • jīvaḥ -living , existing , alive; the principle of life , vital breath , the living or personal soul


    • 6 Schools of thought (saḍ darsana)

    · For the ṣaḍ-darsana one could in general group the 6 into 3 pairs :
    · yoga & sāṁkhya
    · mimāṁsā & vedānta as vedānta is also known as uttara mimāṁsā a.k.a. the brahma-sūtra-s ;Also some distinguish mimāṁsā as pūrva
    ( former , prior ) to that of uttara (later , following , subsequent ) mimāṁsā

    · nyāya & vaiśeṣika - logic and cosmology - Here we find the 'atom eater' or kaṇāda-muni the author of the vaiśeṣika branch. And we have akṣapāda-muni
    (akṣapāda = having his eyes fixed on his feet ) of the nyāya philosophy.

    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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