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    Re: karmic debts of spiritual person?

    hariḥ oṁ

    Quote Originally Posted by Soul of Light View Post
    Namaste all
    So my question is-
    If any person is suffering
    Note that one need not go further than this part of the sentence to offer some insights. I look to rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi¹ for clarity on this matter...

    Q: _____If God is all, why does the individual suffer for his actions? Are not actions prompted by Him?
    mahaṛṣi: this logic is applied only when one suffers but not when one rejoices ( or when happy, content, and the same) ?

    Q: _____but when will suffering cease ?
    mahaṛṣi: not until individuality is lost. He who thinks he/she is the doer ( of actions) will also be the sufferer.
    If both good actions and 'bad' actions are His, why should you think that enjoyment is yours alone? Or suffering is yours alone ?

    iti śivaṁ

    1. 'Talks with rāmaṇa mahaṛṣi' - 1937, June 14th. ISBN 1-878019-00-7
    Last edited by yajvan; 25 March 2017 at 10:02 AM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva


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    Re: karmic debts of spiritual person?

    Namaste Devotee ji and Yajvan ji..
    You both cleared my doubt.. Thanx for conversation of Maharshi Yajvan ji..
    My all doubts are cleared now regarding this topic..

    Aasato ma sat gamay
    tamaso ma jotirgamay
    mrityorma amrutamgamay
    (Bring me from asat to sat, bring me from darkness (ignorance) to light (knowledge), bring me from death to immortality)
    Om Namah Shivay
    Om Vishnave Namah

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    In Vedanta, the following analogy is used to explain Karma.Vedanta says that you are the bowman in every birth. The quiver of arrows represents Sanchita Karma.A bowman stands aiming at a distant target. He takes out an arrow from the quiver and releases it. While the arrow is floating through the air, the bowman takes another arrow from the bundle of arrows in the quiver and fits it in the bow. He is ready to shoot another arrow even as the other arrow is going towards its target in one direction.
    Sanchita Karma is the sum total of the good and bad deeds of all your past lives.
    The arrows in the quiver are all the good and bad actions from your past life. All the good and bad actions from your past life reside in the quiver as residual effects for your future life.
    Vedanta further explains that the arrow that you have shot is that portion of the sanchita or past karma that is responsible for your present body and destiny. This is called Prarabhdha karma.

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    Re: karmic debts of spiritual person?

    Namaste to all,
    Thanks for beautiful conversation. I am very happy to read all conversation. I am new comer to this forum. I am 33 year old.
    I had suffered so much mental pain in young age of my life and in childhood I was shy and full of fear always. And suddenly One day my life has been changed by god(rebirth). All mental suffering gone. It's like someone has given me gift of knowledge. I realized I have done good karma in past life and God has given me gift in this life to continue God's path.

    Jai shree Ram.

  5. Re: karmic debts of spiritual person?

    Karma is quite complex and is affected by many, many factors.

    It is affected by our good actions and by our actions. And it is affected, greatly, by prayers, by prayers of repentance and by meditations.

    Generally, most karma is returned within about 100 years. If you did a murder in a past life, it will be paid back within 100 years or so. But it can also be paid back 5 years or in 20. It varies widely.

    But no one escapes, not ever.

    Now, if you give up all your selfish actions and devote your entire life to God, the weight of your punishment can be greatly reduced.

    Paramahansa Yogananda tells a story of a great Yogi sitting around with some disciples, around a campfire. The Yogi takes a piece of wood out of the fire and burns one of the disciples. The disciple screams in pain. The Yogi looks at him and says that karma decreed that he had to die in a fire, but the grace of the Yogi allowed this one burn to fulfill the needs of karma.

    If we see children suffering greatly, it is often simply because, in a past life, they abandoned a child to suffering or directly harmed a child. Or there can be a wide range of other reasons. Children (and adults) can suffer greatly, without having done anything wrong.

    Suffering is also purification that brings the soul to God.

    So, a greatly suffering soul, is always close to God.


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