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    Why are souls found in samsara?

    Namaste all.

    According to Vishishtadvaita,why are souls found in samsara?

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    Re: Why are souls found in samsara?

    hariḥ oṁ
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    there are 'souls' (plural) only when one thinks there are 'individuals'. The paradigm for vaiṣṇavism is the śrīmad bhāgavad gītā. It informs us of the following:

    brahmārpaṇaṁ brahma haviḥ brahmāgnau brahmaṇā hutam|
    brahmaiva tena gantavyaṁ brahma karma samādhinā||4.24

    brahman¹ is the offering (arpaṇam), brahman is the oblation (havis) poured by brahman into the fire (agnau) that is brahman.
    to brahman alone must he go who is fixed in brahman through action.||4. 24

    What is outside of brahman? Where is ~individual~ in soul or in body called out here?


    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ

    1. brahma = brahman ( pure Being, the ocean of pure awareness); the term brahmā is that of the trimūrti i.e. the 3 forms , brahmā, viṣṇu, & śiva
    Last edited by yajvan; 23 April 2017 at 07:09 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Why are souls found in samsara?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post

    What is outside of brahman? Where is ~individual~ in soul or in body called out here?
    ... yet herein lies the pickle... I feel individual, see individual, see duality and multiplicity all around. How can that be?

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Why are souls found in samsara?

    hariḥ oṁ
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    ...but where is this brahman in me ?


    once again we needn't look any further than the śrīmad bhāgavad gītā2 and what kṛṣṇaḥ -jī says to arjuna ( or in this verse he is called guḍākeśa or ‘thick haired’; keśa = the hair on the head and guḍā = a globe)

    ahamātmā guḍākeśa sarvabhūtāśayasthitaḥ |
    aham ādiśca madhyaṃ ca bhūtānāmanta eva ca || 10.20

    I am the Self (ātmā, soul, pure Being) O’guḍākeśa!1 of all beings (bhūta3), seated (sthitaḥ4) within (āśaya). I am the beginning, middle and end of all beings.|| 10.20

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ

    1. within devanāgarī script which saṃskṛta is written, there is no exclamation mark (!);the way it is indicated is how the term is written i.e what ~case~ the noun is written in. Guḍākeśa is written in the vocative case . Most grammarians see this as a variation on the 1st case (nominative vibhakti); Another name for vocative is saṁbodhana or awakening, arousing.
    Example: śivaḥ - this is shown in the nominative case; compared to śiva = O’śiva ( and this is saṁbodhana case); it is like saying Hey Bill ! or O’lord!
    2. gītā = song or a song; if written as gīta ( no long ā) that = singing. Hence the śrīmad bhāgavad gītā is the song of the lord. See this HDF post if there is interest: http://hindudharmaforums.com/showthr...080#post129080
    3. bhūta – beings; this is not limit to human beings only. In fact bhūta (being) is also defined as pure, mixed or joined. It also is defined as ‘that which is or exists’.
    4. sthitaḥ = I used seated; it also means residing, resting or abiding
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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