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    Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    Hi everyone!

    I'm new to the forum and I was curious on the Hindu belief in Hell.

    I was researching the Hindu version of hell (Naraka) on Wikipedia. And from everything I’ve seen, the teaching is that hell is temporary and one will be released from it when they have done their just punishment over time.

    At the end of a paragraph on Wikipedia, the following is stated:


    In a few texts, hell is described as a bottomless pit of darkness where souls are trapped for eternity and deprived of rebirth.


    I was wondering what those texts were that said that, and if those texts held any weight? They seem to be a complete contradiction of what orthodox Hinduism believes. That is literally the only time I’ve ever heard of Hinduism believing in an eternal hell, and the source for it isn’t even cited on the Wikipedia.

    I was wondering if anyone could clarify this. Are these texts something to be worried about?

    For those interested in the link to where I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Hinduism)

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    Re: Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    Namaste Neb

    The word hell and the eternal hell belongs to Christianity, may be to all Abrahamic religions, I don’t know. If you call something eternal you can subpress people more easy. Hinduism calls it naraka or nether worlds similar to Greek mythology who called it Hades.

    In Hinduism all is a cycle, nothing is for ever – not the hell and not the heaven. We go through these realms (lokas) as long as we need to learn the lessons of our life, as long as we need to finish our karma, as long as we need to reach liberation thereof, moksha.

    In my opinion a better source than wikipedia for questions regarding Hinduism is hinduwebsite.com
    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/death.asp

    Narakas are described in the Puranas, for example in
    In Narada Purana
    http://www.astrojyoti.com/naradapurana-8.htm
    In Vishnu Purana
    http://www.astrojyoti.com/agnipurana-7.htm
    http://www.astrojyoti.com/agnipurana-11.htm

    And last but not least the fascinating story of Indra and the ants – even Indra’s position is not eternal.
    http://hindumythologyforgennext.blogspot.de/2012/02/indra-and-ants.html

    Enjoy reading

    Pranam

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    Re: Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    hariḥ oṁ
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    I wish to offer just a few ideas that I think are of value to the overall string.

    This heaven and hell (svargam loka and narakam loka) is talked about within our upaniṣads1 , within the śrīmad bhāgavad gītā2, and within the purāṇa’s3. All well and good, and one can read them as they see fit.

    My point here is to add just a bit more on what Indialover has mentioned above.
    In Hinduism all is a cycle, nothing is for ever
    Yes, I support this view of cycles – they are clearly laid out early on in the mahābhārata, and most know of these yuga-s ( ages); Yet when it comes to nothing is for ever, we need to look at this a bit closer.

    If one says no-thing is forever, yes this quite precise. No thing = no object (solid, liquid, gas, thought, feeling, idea, person, place, fauna or flora, etc.) is forever. Any thing that has a birth will have a death. Even thoughts/feelings have births. They come into awareness then leave/die. Yet on a bigger scale, whole galaxies and everything in them come into existence ( birth) then they too die with time.

    Yet all ‘this’ , all these occurrences happen within the field of Being. This Being never had a birth (ajāta) hence is deathless. It never had a beginning and therefore never has an end; hence it is eternal, forever.

    This is one thing to keep in mind. But how does it apply to the reader of this post? Let’s look to someone with authority to speak the words.
    Kṛṣṇa-ji informs us in the chapter 2, 12th śloka of the bhāgavad gītā:
    na tvevāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ |
    na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ sarve vayam ataḥ param ||
    2.12
    this says,
    there never was a time when I was not, nor you (arjuna), nor these rulers
    of men. Nor will there ever be a time when all of us shall cease to be. || 2.12

    So, this causes one some pause. Every day millions of cells are dying in me, I am young, then middle age then old and then I die. Well, that sure causes some consternation in one’s thinking of this verse (2.12).
    So, there must be something more to what kṛṣṇa-ji has offered arjuna. He tells this to arjuna early-on in the bhāgavad gītā the wisdom of the ages; it is through the rest of the bhāgavad gītā that kṛṣṇa-ji supplies the knowledge and insight to bring arjuna to this understanding.

    I will leave it to the reader to pursue this grand dialog between kṛṣṇa-ji & arjuna and then bring their questions to this forum as they see fit.



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    1. kaṭha upaniṣad
    2. śrīmad bhāgavad gītā - chapter 16
    3. śrīmad bhāgavata mahāpurāṇa
    Last edited by yajvan; 26 January 2018 at 10:21 AM.
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    Re: Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    Thanks for precising what I wrote, Yajvan. Sure am I aware of the one eternal being.

    For me the concept of ‚hell‘ and ‚heaven‘ belongs to mythology resp. to the human mind to denote good and bad deeds and what will follow. At the end we fashion our hell and our heaven by our own on this earth.

    Anyhow the word ‚hell‘ does not correspond to ‚naraka‘. It’s just the dominance of Christianity that let non-Christian languages adopt this ugly word. Hell, satan/devil, sin have no equivalent in the Veda in the sense of the crude meaning in Christianity.

    Hell should be naraka or netherworld; satan/devil should be demon, rakshasa or one of the many other terms Indian mythology has; sin should be papa. Punya is unknown to Christianity. This religion works only with sin, satan and hell. Paradise is closed since long!

    When Europeans = Christians started translating Vedic texts into their languages they took their terminology according their conviction = Christianity. And Indians, ‚occupied‘ by English language took them over, without thinking what they take over. Thus the transaltions of Vedic texts are full of Christian terminology. That throws a complete wrong light on the greatness and benevolence of Vedic thoughts.

    Pranam

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    Re: Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    Namaste

    I bring up this subject again because I just came upon the beautiful story of king Somaka, which can be read here
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03127.htm
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03128.htm

    Following the last part of 128

    Then that family priest of Somaka departed this life as also Somaka after a certain time. Now he beheld that the priest was being grilled in a terrible hell. And thereupon he questioned him, 'Why art thou, O Brahmana! being grilled in this hell?" Then the family priest exceedingly scorched with fire, spake to him saying, 'This is the outcome of my having officiated in that sacrifice of thine.' O king, hearing this, the saintly king thus spake to the god who meteth out punishments to departed souls, 'I shall enter here. Set free my officiating priest; this reversed man is being grilled by hell-fire on my account only.'
    "Dharmaraja thereat answered thus, 'One cannot enjoy or suffer for another person's acts. O best of speakers! these are the fruits of thy acts; see it here.'

    "Somaka said, 'Without this Brahmana here, I desire not go to the blessed regions. My desire is to dwell in company with this very man, either in the abode of the gods, or in hell, for, O Dharmaraja! my deed is identical with what hath been done by him and the fruit of our virtuous or evil deed must be the same for both of us.'

    "Dharmaraja said, 'O king! If this is thy wish, then taste with him the fruit of that act, for the same period that he must do. After that thou shall go to the blessed regions.'

    "Lomasa said, The lotus-eyed king did all that exactly in the way prescribed to him. And when his sins were worked off, he was set free together with the priest. O king! Fond of the priest as he was, he won all those blessings to which he had entitled himself by his meritorious acts and shared everything with the family priest. This is his hermitage which looketh lovely before our eyes. Any one would attain the blessed regions, if he should spend six nights here controlling his passions. O king of kings! O leader of the tribe of Kurus! Here, free from excitement and self-controlled, we must spend six nights. Be thou ready therefor.'"

    Pranam

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    Re: Do all schools of Hinduism believe in temporary hell?

    Namaste!

    Just to add...

    Quote Originally Posted by Indialover View Post
    It’s just the dominance of Christianity that let non-Christian languages adopt this ugly word.
    To make matters worse, Christianity stole it from ancient Norse religion. The goddess and her realm are called Hel. It is not a place of punishment, but a place where ordinary people (i.e. not heroes) go after death. Hel (or Hela) is not an evil goddess... just cold, detached and impartial. Her realm is described either as gloomy (like in ancient Greek religion) or just as ordinary as our world, but with none of the cares and evils. It's not permanent either. After the Norse pralaya (Ragnarök) plays out and the world's cycle renews, life begins over again, and Hel releases the souls.
    śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ

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