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    Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

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    Is it only to be seen from Biological PoV ?

    Or we should also see it as a continuum and connected to the "permanent state" ?

    In case it is biological, which is more relevant to the gross body, where as the intellect belongs to the subtle world, is it possible to replace head of any person with Einstein's head and we will get another Einstein ?

    If no then, the question comes to mind that what contributes to the intellect component ?

    Is the "permanent state" connected with us at gross and subtle levels through the 5 elements ?

    If so which all elements connect us for the subtle elements ? Is light one source for transmission and evolvement of intellect ? Is exposure to sunlight has any impact ? Does entry of sunlight through eyes have any impact ?

    These are questions presently pushing my mind. Look forward to your insights in these areas

    Love and best wishes
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    Re: Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

    Dear Friend,

    "is it possible to replace head of any person with Einstein's head and we will get another Einstein ?" the answer to this question in depth will give you answers to all the related questions...however a very detailed understanding is required first....

    so, to understand your understanding, what exactly are the "entities" which when put together is referred to as "Einstein", in your question?
    when you say "Einstein" what is it you are referring to?

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    Re: Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

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    As I understand.

    We get a body, based on our parents and forefathers. Which has it's own strength and limitations. In this enters my mind, which again based on past karmaphal, carries the updated specs of the various subtle elements including intellect.

    This mind drives the body, again in conjunction with the environment the mind is into. Through different actions (physical, mental and subtle), the knowledge and experience grows, which again contributes to intellect.

    Now this is a normal evolution. Is this all ? Or there is more to it ?

    If I see creation and so called life, it is dependent on light, which again is a part of the primary 5 elements. Have we understood the 5 elements properly ? How they are linked to us at all level (gross and subtle).

    If we see holistically, the overall system is extremely intelligent, much beyond what we imagine. That intelligence is percolating down to us through some means. What is that ?

    Not sure if I could explain it clearly. May be it will become more clear with some more discussions.

    Love and best wishes
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    Re: Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

    Dear Friend,

    Your understanding is quite logical and hence lets build on top of that...but before going ahead, lets get to the fundamentals first...

    As the question put forward needs a very detailed answer, it will be in multiple posts as I am very much also under the influence of Time and bound by duties
    Note: The explanation is based on specific information provided in various scripts [Bhagavad Gita, Sankhya, Puranas] which very much helps us understand the design of this system in which we are existing.

    Lets first of all understand this "framework" called Universe so that we can dig into its components later....this Bramhanda of the universe which is quite often also referred to as "Prakruthi" is very complicated and has extremely well defined "tatvas"[very rough translation: principles, sometimes referred to also as philosophy...but lets stick to "principle" for this context]...modern science and scientists can only discover stuff and explain how things work but have never answered the tatva behind the discovered entities...example...scientists discovered what is gravity, how it works, how it behaves and how it can be used...but never answered what is that principle[tatva] which makes "gravity" to attract?...this is exactly the problem even we face when we try to understand ourself without getting to know the tatva behind this creation...

    Sri Kapila maharishi, an avatar of Sri Maha Vishnu, very beautifully in Sankhya [I request you to kindly ignore all the western Sanskrit scholars' definition, understanding and their view on Sankhya, as a western Sanskrit scholar interpreting Sanatana Dharma is like an English scholar interpreting Algebraic equation]
    enumerates[hence the name Sankhya] a lot of entities...lets take three major entities first...
    - Prakruthi
    - Pradhana
    - Kaala [Time]

    before understanding those terms, lets take an example of a computer "program"...a "program" is a set of instructions with definitions, declarations and all details written in a text editor...now, a computer program, as it is, in a text editor is not active...only when we run[get it under the influence of time] this program[opening any computer application], under the influence of time, the "processor" starts to execute the program...and such a "program under execution[or under the influence of time]" is called as a "process or application"....
    Example: The web-browser[process or application] on which you are viewing this answer...until you double click on the web-brower icon, its not active and not under the influence of time...only when you open the web-browser it gets under the influence of time and becomes a process

    on the similar lines "Pradhana" is a set of definitions, declarations which is non-active...it has 24 major components which are defined and properly laid out...
    "Prakruthi" on the other hand is that process or the "program under execution"...when the Pradhana is influenced by the Supreme most Paramathma as Time[another major entity], it becomes the "Prakruthi" ....so first and foremost, please note that Time is a major factor which has created Prakruthi and hence everything that is derived or present inside Prakruthi is by default under the influence of Paramathma as Time ....

    Lets get into the components of Pradhana which will give more clarity to your actual question in the next post...

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    Re: Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

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    Namaste.

    Wonderful - please carry on. I am all ears.

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    continuing...

    The elements of Pradhana, which form the basis of materialistic entities are first enumerated and defined ...please remember that these entities are still inactive and hence how they came into existence, the way they work and how they influence everything will be described later...

    As very beautifully put by Sri Kapila maharshi [Srimad Bhagavatam- Sankhya - 3-26-10]


    śrī-bhagavān uvāca

    yat tat tri-guṇam avyaktaṁ
     nityaṁ sad-asad-ātmakam
    pradhānaṁ prakṛtiṁ prāhur
     aviśeṣaṁ viśeṣavat







    As i mentioned earlier, we are trying to understand the "tatva" and hence every important word matters...so lets dig deeper into those important words..

    A new term is now going to be introduced "Guna"...and an enumeration is also given that there are 3 Gunas....The term guna is a very complicated term...a very commonly used, misused and abused term...for this context lets take the very rough translation that Guna is a "force"....we will have a detailed discussion on why a guna is called a "force"..how it came into existence and what all are derived from it...for now lets first understand the beautiful words spoken by the creator of this unimaginably complicated [when individually enumerated] yet extremely simple[when we know everything is Him alone] framework....

    "Avyakta" is such an important term..vyakta...in this context is something that has an apparent or clear boundary and can be classified as an individual entity separated from the rest...lets take an example...every object that we see around us...a phone, a pencil, a tumbler, a car, everything has an apparent or clear boundary which says that all the molecules put together, inside a boundary, will be collectively called as an "individual entity" ...even the huge planet earth on which we are has a boundary...go on top a hill and already you can see the boundary....the enormous sun also has a boundary ....the astronomically big stars still have boundaries...so all of this can be declared as vyakta....anything that can be classified as an individual entity with an apparent or clear limit is vyakta

    but then ..look at the sky....no matter how far you stand away from it, one cannot draw a boundary on sky...there are no individual skies... there is no one more sky next to this sky...its impossible for us to see a sky next to sky because the sky by itself is boundary-less...such a tatva or principle where one can never ever draw a boundary is known as "Avyakta"..Paramathma is "Avyakta"...there is no limit one can draw and say..this is Paramathma...its technically almost not possible for us to even image the "Avyakta" principle of Paramathma....so for the sake of understanding, lets just put it this way...a state when no boundaries can be drawn to indicate an individuality is Avyakta...

    Paramathma then says..."Nityam"...now this is a term thats directly related to the most important term we can relate to..Time....Time is that "inexhaustible supreme most energy" which actually is the "platform" on which this "framework" of universe is built...We again will get back to the term "Time" soon as its a topic that can be discussed forever...that which is permanent, that which is not stopped by Time, that which is eternal is also known as "Nityam"...

    The terms "sad and asad" which are extremely important will be discussed in the next post...

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    continuing...

    The terms sat/sad and asat/asad...are very very complicated...many different interpretations are available....the most commonly used meanings to understand these terms are real and unreal...now what does real even mean...lets take two examples to check if we even understand the terms real and unreal...we will use these examples during the course of explanation time and again...

    lets take "watching a movie in a theater"....now when we go to the theater, when the lights are switched off...the movie begins...lots of things are shown in the movie...there may be rain...water...sunshine...cold freezing conditions...mountains, etc...different environments, different colors, different materials are all seen by the "viewer"...if the movie is really interesting, the viewer gets completely involved in the emotions...laughs on jokes..cries during emotional scenes, etc...at the end of the movie, when lights are switched on again...all the viewer can see is "a blank white screen".....now...is the "blank white screen REAL?" or the "the projections which actually made the viewer get involved and react accordingly REAL?"...if white screen is "real", then the movie which the "viewer experienced" will be classified as "unreal"..as there is only white screen...if the movie is "real" as the viewer could "experience" it, does it make the white screen unreal?...

    lets take another example....pass the white light from a prism....what do we see....a lot of colors...so...scientists came to a conclusion that "white light is made up of the seven main colors"...now, when we see white light do we actually see the other colors...if not...is white light real and the other colors unreal....after the light is refracted inside the prism, we actually see the seven colors...does it mean the seven colors are actually real and white light is unreal...

    there are many more examples like the ones mentioned above and its so important for us to understand that everything that we can understand and comprehend has a direct connection with the framework in which it is being understood...

    the reason we are trying to understand the terms Avyakta, nitya, sad-asad in detail is because without this understanding, the beginning of the universe cannot be understood at all..

    more details in next post...

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    continuing...

    lets get back to the definition of Pradhana as per Paramathma....

    yat tat trigunam avyaktam nityam sad-asad aatmakam pradhanam

    Lets make the following statements a rule first...
    lets first understand that there is Parabramha alone and there cannot be a second entity other than Parabramha as Parabramha is Avyakta...also the fact that Parabramha is Time makes Parabramha eternal or nitya....Parabramha is the only reality and hence if there exists anything inside Parabramha, it can only be "unreal" or "illusion" or "projection"...


    when the term Pradhana is defined, it must be noted that it has not come into existence as Prakruthi...hence being part of Parabramha, its quite natural that the three gunas or the main forces from which everything is derived inside Prakruthi, which are of real and un-realness, when are not under the influence of Time, are in the principle of Avyakta, and are eternal-Nitya....

    this may be a little confusing to understand, but as we explore further things will become more clearer...

    the in-depth understanding is

    - The three gunas which have the real and un-realness are eternally undifferentiated and are known as Pradhana
    - Pradhana is not under the influence of Time and hence the three gunas which are fundamental blocks of Pradhana are inactive
    - Pradhana has three gunas which cannot be differentiated...again its like white light which has 7 colors...looking at white light the 7 different colors can not be differentiated...
    the 7 different colors in white light are exactly like the 3 gunas in Pradhana....
    - Pradhana has no individual entities in active state
    - The three gunas are in Pradhana in an unidentifiable state

    next lets get into the "Prakruthi" definition and then shuttle between Pradhana and Prakruthi to see how every element takes its birth in this universe...

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    Re: Out of various elements of our existence, how is intellect increasing ?

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    Excellent.

    Time + Pradhana = Prakruthi. Time is connected to creation. In between creations Pradhana remain inactive, just as in seeds.

    Aptly said about sat / asat, vyakta / abvyakta. Nityam being through time and no-time. 3 gunas - sattva, rajas and tamas being the properties and characteristics.

    Look forward to more from you.

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    Yes, very well summarized...


    continuing further...


    "prakṛtiṁ prāhur aviśeṣaṁ viśeṣavat"


    when the "one without different specialties" is "made up of differential specialties", such an entity is called Prakruthi...hence it must be very clearly noted that the specialties of Prakruthi which are Gunas, exist only inside Prakruthi..outside the Gunas cannot be specially differentiated..


    Now that we have established a few fundamental definitions at the core, we can moving further towards what are the other components...how they are formed...


    The enumeration of the 24 components will be done here first...
    [Srimad Bhagavatam- Sankhya - 3-26-11]


    pañcabhiḥ pañcabhir brahma
     caturbhir daśabhis tathā
    etac catur-viṁśatikaṁ
     gaṇaṁ prādhānikaṁ viduḥ


    The Parabramha has an aggregated Pradhana as the following sets
    - Set of 5
    - Set of 5
    - Set of 4
    - Set of 10


    Hence constituting a total of 24...please note the most important point here...these 24 elements, which are defined in Pradhana when combined with each other at different levels forms everything present in the universe...its a combination at different levels that we perceive all around us...hence these are the fundamental elements...as an example, the variety of sweets that one prepares are many...however the basic ingredients remain sugar, milk and other basic materials...the number of ingredients used and amount of every ingredient used, along with the different cooking procedures gives rise to hundreds of sweets..similarly everything in this universe has a set of the definitions included in Pradhana When they come under the influence of Time inside Prakruthi at different levels and undergo specific procedures numerous entities can be seen...


    Lets see the 24 elements in detail...

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