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    Re: I now undoubtedly accept that Earth is flat (According to Vedas)

    Namaste markandeya 108 dasa

    Access to the scriptures and their interpretation are different for each individual. Equally diverse is the assignment of divine beings to the chakras.

    From somewhere the vision of a flat earth has to come, being obviously deeply rooted in humanity since the turtle is found in countless creation myths.

    The mentioned text from Agni Purana was so fascinating for me because is says, that the earth changes to ‚flat as a turtle‘ (not to ‚flat as a disc‘) during or after pralaya. Later, at time of a new creation it seems earth changes to a globe.

    This I brought in connection with the old vision of a flat earth, so many ancient folks had.

    We have two eyes, a physical and a mystical. With our physical eye we see the globe. With our mystical we ‚see‘ the flat earth. This mystical eye was highly developed in ancient times.

    Let me give another example. The Ganga is said to be dirty. This is true, when we look at Her with our physical eye. With the mystical eye She is not only clean, She is divine because She arose from water that touched the fifth avatar's foot. Thus Hindus take a bath in this dirty water and drinkt it to become clean inside.

    These are only my thoughts, my view … I cannot provide a sanskrit sloka and science will not accept it. So what ...

    Pranam
    Dance with Shiva - live with Shiva - merge with Shiva

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    Re: I now undoubtedly accept that Earth is flat (According to Vedas)

    Harih Om

    In Samkhya the elements are given in parts. Earth according to the description is flat, dull, without movement, inert. Like the difference between a live and dead body, body mass is flat, life less. Earth elements depends on something else for movement Ie Water which is fluid. The boundary for the universe does not extend outside of the skin of the body according to the samadhi traditions. And from there is to refine and guide the conscious awareness ~ drishti~ sight to the more subtle elements, next one being water which is at first reflected to water in the body and then movement in mind, the fluidity of mind is related to chandra dev or the moon. If Earth element considered as the grossest was to exist on its own it would have no life or movement at all. Then meditation on fire, air and space elements, attention is being turned inwards and more refined and gross coverings on the chitta are being released. The bhutas take on divine attributes when there is association in the chitta with prajna 3rd state. In short, everything the jiva needs to know is within the macrocosm the bramanda through the buddhis and prasade, but before this there has to be periods of time where the chitta is in detached, suspended state from mind and sense consciousness, for this the right type of sadhan and personal system is needed to bring all elements to equanimity, thats why samkhya precedes the knowledge of brahmanda the inner or subtle universe. Without perfection in this state, the supra mental state prajna Brahman realization will not be full.

    Opened the mystic eye as you put it is the awakening of the chitta to see the macrocosm which is the main identity of the puranas. Outward perception as in geographical shapes of the planet is just not important or even considered, matter is dull lifeless, what is being revealed is the subtle, which is veiled beyond the conditions which bind the jiva, what binds him as the microcosm the individual simple does posses the vast expanded consciousness to understand the macrocosm brahmanda the cosmic egg. Bramanda does not mean the outside universe visible with mind and empirical senses is in the shape of an egg. Egg represents fertility and the womb of growth into full transcendence. Puranas are the 3rd state, I would say that all the shastra's and sutras are in 3rd state, not influenced by conditioned perception and self view and directly linking one to the 4th turiya when the mind turns inwards or is not distracted by the outward seeking mind and senses.

    Kurmadev is no myth, he is an avatar, cognized in its divine roop form when chitta is awake in the bramanda macrocosm. Some key features is that a turtle can breath on land and water, when its disturbed outside he withdraws all his limbs ( senses and mind ) pratyhara. Kurma can be used as a practical object of reflection vikalpa on his divine roop and attributes, a type of inner imagination to build up the conditions for awakening the real vishuddhi chakra for dharshan and of Kurmadev who is one aspect of Divine Being.

    Jai Sri Krsna
    Last edited by markandeya 108 dasa; 21 February 2019 at 01:51 AM.

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    Re: I now undoubtedly accept that Earth is flat (According to Vedas)

    Dear Friends,

    When any information about a design or architecture of a structure is needed, the best person to provide that information is the Architect who has designed the structure. Similarly, the original architect of this Universe is Paramathma and hence its quite natural to look for references where He tells or shows information about the design of this Universe. Let look into this part of the scripture which nails the question under discussion.


    Srimad Bhagawatam


    A beautiful Avatar of Sri Maha Vishnu, Hrishikesha Vaasudeva Sri Krishna, the all merciful Paramathma came down to this planet Earth, to treat His blessed devotees with His divine activities. His mother, one of the most pious and greatest devotee of Paramathma,Yashodha was experiencing the divine bliss with her little son, Sri Krishna in Vrindavan. Once when Balarama and His friends complained to Yashoda that Krishna was mischievously eating mud, Yashodha went on to check with Her Divine Son, if He was eating mud. She asked that Adi Purusha to open His divine mouth to see if there was any mud in that and then this is exactly what she saw in the mouth of the Architect of this Universe...Please remember the original Designer, Creator and the Architect of this Universe is showing this...


    Srimad Bhagawatam 10-8-37

    sā tatra dadṛśe viśvaṁ
    jagat sthāsnu ca khaṁ diśaḥ
    sādri-dvīpābdhi-bhūgolaṁ
    sa-vāyv-agnīndu-tārakam

    sā tatra dadṛśe - She, inside the Divine little mouth of Paramathma, saw ,
    Vishwam - The entire Universe
    Jagath Sthaasnu - made up of moving and static entities
    Kham - the unlimited sky
    Dishah - all the directions

    "sādri-dvīpābdhi-bhūgolaṁ"

    The most important term here is "BHU-GOLAM" Gola or Golam here in Sanksrit means "SPHERE"...Sphere is one where every point on the surface is equi-distant from the center..GOLA - Aakara[shape] is used to describe a SPHERE..not a disc...


    The description very beautifully and clearly says

    sa adri - with mountains
    Dweepa - Islands[continents]
    Abdhi - Water
    Bhu - EARTH
    GOLAM - SPHERICAL

    THE SPHERICAL-EARTH HAS MOUNTAINS, ISLANDS AND WATER - A perfect description of the modern day photo of earth when seen from space, isnt it?


    There cant be a better description as this is shown by the Creator Himself to His divine mother, inside His little mouth


    It gets even more informative..
    sa vaayu agni...There is wind and fire also on Earth


    And then Yashoda gets the zoomed out version too
    Indu - Moon
    Taarakam - Numerous Stars


    It cant get more perfect than this...Earth is described as a sphere with mountains, oceans, islands and with wind[atmosphere] and fire and then zooming out, the description of our Moon and the numerous stars[Sun is also a star is perfectly embedded in here] Taara is the Sanskrit word for star


    Again, as a conclusion, BHU-GOLAM[Sanskrit term for SPHERICAL-EARTH], mentioned in this sacred text, where Paramathma Himself is showing the Universe to His mother, should clear all doubts!

  4. Re: I now undoubtedly accept that Earth is flat (According to Vedas)

    It is reasonably easy to prove, with simple, personal, direct observation of phenomena, that the earth is a sphere...or, well, spherical. If you are adept at math, you can follow the equations and see why this is so....

    So, if I said to you, without consulting any books or any past experience, derive the mathematical figure PI. Adepts at math can personally discover how the ancient mathematicians came to discover geographical concepts. If you can derive that on your own, you will pretty quickly see why the earth is not flat.

    Now, you know, that takes the kind of mind that graduates college with a degree in math and a perfect GPA.

    But if you go to a local college and talk with the astronomy professors and have them slowly take you through the original work, by ancient man, that discovered that the earth is round...you should be able to eventually follow the math and see why it is a direct and easy solution. Might take, oh...2 - 8 courses of work...but after that, there will be zero doubt.

    And that just comes from watching the stars and sun. Personal, simple, direct observation of them is enough to prove the earth is round.

    About 20 years ago, when my brain was clearer, I did it. It works. Its simple. There really isn't any room for error or doubt.

    I mean, you can take any assertion whatsoever and try to create a line of argumentation to prove it. But that is just games with rhetoric.

    Doing that you can "prove" that the sun does not rise every day. But it is really a false "proof," just a twist of words.

    Beyond that, the reality is quite direct and easily provable.

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