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    The Life and Creation Ecosystem - Question 1

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    It has been quite a while visiting my favourite site again. Struggling to get time out of the preparation and execution of mammoth Pujas (Durga puja to Kali Puja), rehearsals for the culturals, office responsibilities and extremely strenuous commutations of 100 kms every day in Chennai take a huge toll on my mind and body.

    Still the mind goes on working on the various aspects of our being here and the absolute connected network of the entire ecosystem. This pyramid of our ecosystem has the defined 14 lokas. At the top we have the Brahma or Satya loka and at the bottom we have Patala loka.

    These lokas are the ones where, depending on the karmaphala (or the residual state of our mind), our mind seeks the corresponding body and environment for the next birth.

    There is a huge churning going on in the lower part of the pyramid - the 7 lower lokas (highest of which is the Bhu-loka - where humans are there). Few filter out to the higher 7 lokas.

    However the ecosystem also has the 5 elements - space, air, fire, earth and water.

    Now my question is "Whether the above 14 lokas also include the inanimate or lifeless part of the ecosystem ? "

    I feel yes. Example of Narasimha and Ahalya prove this point. However i would like to have your views. If yes, then this segment belongs to which loka ?

    Love and best wishes
    Love and best wishes:hug:

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    Namaste Kallol Ji,

    Thats quite some commute. I did most of my reading and study when on travel journeys, it can be part of sadhana, observation and reflection of life and also a bit of space, but it can be very tiring.

    I am not sure if this answers the whole of your question. This is partly how I understand cosmology and will attempt to reply on a couple of things but may not address the whole question.

    Cosmology structure of the universe is not outside the individual human experience, lokas are states of mind, states of being, mind born experiences, states that any one human being can experience through the duration of ones life, one individual jiva can experience all of the 14 lokas in one lifetime, there is no need for actual gross body physical death although there is always continuum, birth and death is happening within body and mind at every moment. Each loka will have its own complex structure or compound or collective sphere based on karmaphal, lower 7 states are below the balance of the human level, human level in Bhu is when Bhumi seeks release and looks for the cause, man ~mind becomes human when he enquires into the existence of his own being, when Bhumi seeks brahmA to understand creation as one example and goes more subtle and goes within. 7 lower lokas are combination of mind and sense consciousness ( consider as unconsciousness in comparison)

    Thats is the briefest I can try explain cosmology of the lokas as states of being that can all exist within a live living human being on this planet.

    Often lokas are spoken of planets, or dimensions that exists in another area separate from this planet earth outside of this current space and time location but within this universe at certain distances from this planet earth and in dimensions beyond normal human perception. Now we are human and on earth and depending on how we act at the time of gross physical death will depend on which lokas we will be born next. Human life is measured by the span of one hundred years as an average or approximation, and within this period by some measure of his own free will can navigate himself to higher lokas or be sent or reborn in lower lokas, heaven and hell by his karma in this human form. Each lokas planet will have its own environment respectively. If this is taken to literally and on face value ( not saying you are, but as general comment ) it will not help and cosmology then becomes stuck on the exoteric or empirical level, when the cause and effect is known only in the subtle and only within ones own being via direct experience.

    Its a huge and fascinating subject, it is the subject and whole scope of the human life, modern cosmologist may know more about distance galaxies than they do of themselves, ultimately what is the value of this at the loss of becoming human~one who enquires into the subtle sciences of consciousness in the right way with all its mysteries and discoveries and auspiciousness, that uplifts and works in harmony interdependently within the full ecosystem of planet earth and is the essential function of evolution.

    I wish you well on your commute Kallol Ji

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    Re: The Life and Creation Ecosystem - Question 1

    Om

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    Thanks. Even the commute does not spare me from meetings.

    I would love to deliberate on the 14 lokas and their relations with our rebirths.

    Yes the lokas are based on the states of mind. Again the states of mind only dictates the next life and body one will acquire. Are these related.

    Love and best wishes
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