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    Re: What does the term embodied mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutta View Post
    one thing is in my mind .
    adhibhutah ksharam bhava purushah cha adhidevatam means body is perishable where the purushah is adhidev .
    now sahastra shirshah purushah is God so its Anshah is purushah .
    and adhiyagyah Aham Eva means it is sahastra shirshah as said earlier .
    so bodied is purushah or the light of the source .
    but I am not very sure so any comment if any ?
    jai Sri krsna
    so find what bodied this is live or the light object which lights with super light keeping in mind .. kutashthah.. Aksharah.. means doubt being Advaitha .

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    Re: What does the term embodied mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutta View Post
    so find what bodied this is live or the light object which lights with super light keeping in mind .. kutashthah.. Aksharah.. means doubt being Advaitha .
    let us do some home work .
    gita says be .. Shruti 13.
    no doubt our four fathers were or were not so technologist that time but they have enough time to think over soul .
    refer the translation by sir Ralph Griffith 8/10/10 Mandalam rigveda , it says that deva souls are watching our activities day and night and naturally not embodied .
    now refer ch 8 of Gita which refers for deva or pitar souls , free and returning in uttarayanam and dakshirayanam resp .
    now ref ch 15 of Gita ... Na tad bhasayate surya na shashankah na pavkah ..
    and aham margshirshah month am ch 10.
    if you watch the purnima of margshirshah in the evening there remains NO SUN AND MOON DOES NOT SHINE ONLY SHAPE LOOKS AND OF COURSE NO FIRE ANYWHERE BUT you will the aura very powerful , what is that ?
    that is the embodied part the soul , super soul and advaita of course living in every body every nature and all .
    any correction pl .
    jai Sri krsna

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    Re: What does the term embodied mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Drag0n View Post
    I've come across this word a lot while going through books on advaita, but im not sure what it means. There are several meanings of it in the dictionary.
    Need help.
    i have come across another word as sharirnah...means embodied .
    lord says ..antvantu ime deha ..and sharirnah nityasya , means embodied imperishable .
    you can search in google that one baba in India is not eating and drinking since last 40 yrs and says that he will never die .
    but that is wrong as he growing old day by day and hence the body is going to perish but the sharirnah or embodied is as young as was .
    so ch 7 declares as scientifically is this soul to know .
    no member I find is giving time to this discussion , even mr jopmala who was very clear of his stand on Dvaita advaita is not coming to contribute .
    jai Sri krsna

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    Re: What does the term embodied mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutta View Post
    bodied moves where space does not this not proper
    jai sri krsna
    Namaste Dutta and RedDragon

    This is where BG14.27 bramhaNo hi pratishThAham .. comes into play.
    Imagine the subtlest of the subtle paramAtmA as the substratum of all appearances including the jiva subtle bodies. So the transmigrating body , is accompanied by the Highest, paramAtmA as it transmigrates, exactly as Shri KRshNa is with "me" all along.

    Advaita has to be experienced, not deciphered from books.
    Leave alone the omniscience, but as a first step, focus on the experience within yourself.

    Only those who have found the One in their heart, are on this path of adhyAtma.
    Otherwise, it is easy for atheists also, to claim, I am IT without experiencing that the paramAtmA is walking with "you".

    So it boils down to erroneous identification of the tvam-padArtha in the mahAvAkya Tat tvam asi.
    If you identify your ordinary mAnas-buddhI-ahaMkAr as the tvam and say "I am Brahman'' that is ovbiously wrong.

    So this experiment: Have you met ParaBrahman' in the heart? Did you spend years and years with this One as your Guide and Companion and Witness, where "you" (tvam) = mind-intellect-ego.

    Did it dawn upon you one fine day, that the Shri NAthJi in the Temple is OK, but what about the Shri NAthji that suddenly walks barefoot by my side and drapes me in His shawl (metaphorically in the mind) when I make pradakshiNA (circumblation) around His Temple in the cold winter barefoot!
    Wait! What are You doing? You are supposed to sit inside comfortably, and I am supposed to go around You. How can You accompany "me" in this pradakshiNA around You?

    The timetested question , if KRshNa is with me all the time, why do people run to VrundAvan and GokuL and search for Him there?? If GokuL is where we are supposed to find Him, then Who is that One who is always with me no matter where I go or live??

    THAT ONE by my side is the paramAtmA, and now read Bhagvad GeetA chapter 15 Purushottam Yog.

    So the mind-intellect-ego-driven lower purush is purush, but the paramAtmA Who was always by your side is that Uttam Purush of BG 15! He is that Purushottam!

    And tat tvam asi Shvetaketo! , not the mind-intellect-ego (the wrong tvam-padArtha), but wait, not so soon.

    Have you followed BG 15.1,2,3,4,5,6 --- nirmAna moha jita sanga dosha ? (transcended requirement for mAn - honor and moha - temptation)
    Have you cut the upside down ashwattha tree of saMsAr at its roots?
    Has vairAgya dawned, have you transcended the guNas , particularly raag-dvesh (attraction, aversion ) , attachment to needing people, needing respect, needing honor, needing .... ?
    Have the 3 eshNas been conquered -
    -- putrashNA (desire for disciples and a following, over-attachment to / over-worrying for own children, desire for children, demanding their respect and authority)
    -- lokeshNA (desire for fame) [acc. to me the official license to NOT having lokeshNA is a gift , a blessing, piece of cake if you love solitude, living like a recluse comes naturally, and don't want to be bothered by anyone ]
    -- vitteshNA (desire for wealth , possessions apart from the bare necessities of the body - interconnected with lokeshNa and putreshNA becs lack of vitteshNa is easier for the recluse)

    Now, even if there are 2 dwelling in the heart, Devotee and God, it is not dvaita, it is advaita once one accepts that that ONE is the real I.

    This is why those with this experience always find a gap between the worship of Deva forms in Temples, versus walking with Mukunda wherever you go, just you and Him. This is if and when that Mukunda appears and then lives in the heart (be it with form or formless , that is irrelevant).

    People confuse you by saying "bhAv has appeared in you" or "You have bhAv" but that is wrong. You do not get some "bhAv" by itself unless the ParamAtmA instills that bhAv in you by appearing in your heart.

    BhAv is not something that pops up in thin air or by one's own efforts of bhakti yog. ParamAtmA appears and gives the bhAv

    At the end of the dual journey of bhakta-bhagavAn is advaita where you can have the cake and eat it too.

    Advaita does not mean some theory where you just decide "I am Brahman' because the shruti says so"

    It is this advaita that does NOT contradict BG Chapter 15 Purushottam Yog, where the ego has no demand in the glory of the sacchidAdanda Purushottam ParamAtmA.
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    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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    Re: What does the term embodied mean?

    To explain how paramAtmA accompanies the subtle body (but some are aware of Him, others are not) -- and the BG 15 Purushottam Yog,

    TukArAm MahArAj 's abhanga is a very good example :

    Jethe jAto tethe tu mAzA sAngAti
    Wherever I go , You are my companion, O Lord .
    chAlaveesi hAti dharoniyA
    You take me for a walk by holding my hand

    chAlo vATe Amhi tuzAchi AdhAra
    We walk the path You pave for us, and You are our only support

    chAlavisi bhAra save mAzA
    You are actually carrying my burden of this life
    bolo jAtA baraLa karasi te neeTa
    meli laaja dheeTa kelo devA

    Because of Your association I have given up the need for honor in society,
    tukA mhaNe AtA kheLato kautuke
    Says TukA (the poet of this abhanga, TukArAm), that now I simply play (and bask in Your sunshine) , admiring You all along - that is all I have to do since You are taking care of my worldly life.
    chAli tuze sukha antarmAhi
    Now Your bliss fills this heart [since You are the embodiment of bliss]

    Here the words "I me and my" point to the devotee's ordinary definition of min-intellect-ego.

    Conversely, I would say , not only that You accompany me wherever I go, I shall go wherever You take me, Dear Lord of the heart, Purushottam paramAtmA.

    That completes the round circle of bhajan that expresses first observation , then dependence and finally full surrender.
    || Shri KRshNArpaNamastu ||

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