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    Re: hare krishna mahamantra

    Quote Originally Posted by timetraveler View Post
    Once again absolute opposite.

    People might then question, but I am not actually killing the animal but just eating, is that wrong too?

    The Manu Samhita scriptures tells us that all the people get the reaction for being involved with meat:-

    Naakrtvaa praaninaam himsaam maamsamutpadyate kvachit. Na cha praanivadhah svargyastamaanmaamsam vivarjayet. (MS 5.48)

    Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayii. Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khaadakashchetighaatakaah (MS 5.51)

    Flesh of animals is obtained only after killing him, which is a sin, and the killer of animals never enters the celestial abode.

    All those involved in killing, consenting the killing, helping the killing, carrying, selling, buying, cooking and eating the meat of an animal are equally sinful as the killing of that animal.

    The person who eats meat is also encouraging and in one sense supporting the killing. For example if few dacoits goes to rob a house, and one stands outside the house to look out and other few dacoits steal from the house, if they get caught everyone will be punished by the laws, because the person who was outside was also supporting the crime. Similarly, one who eats meat is also involved and is liable for punishment.

    Plants and Vegetables are also living being is it not a sin to kill them for food too?

    This explanation is given in Srimad Bhagavatam (3.29.15) purport by the founder Srila Prabhupada:

    “Sometimes the question is put before us: “You ask us not to eat meat, but you are eating vegetables. Do you think that is not violence?” The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life. Non-devotees are killing cows, goats and so many other animals for eating purposes, and a devotee, who is vegetarian, is also killing. But here, significantly, it is stated that every living entity has to live by killing another entity; that is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam: one living entity is the life for another living entity. But for a human being, that violence should be committed only as much as necessary.

    A human being is not to eat anything which is not offered to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Yajna-sistasinah santah: one becomes freed from all sinful reactions by eating foodstuffs which are offered to Yajna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. A devotee therefore eats only prasada, or foodstuffs offered to the Supreme Lord, and Krishna says that when a devotee offers Him foodstuffs from the vegetable kingdom, with devotion, He eats that. A devotee is to offer to Krishna foodstuffs prepared from vegetables. If the Supreme Lord wanted foodstuffs prepared from animal food, the devotee could offer this, but He does not order to do that.”

    So yes even plants and vegetables have souls and killing them unnecessarily and for personal sense gratification causes sin, that’s why it is recommended to offer the vegetarian food to Lord Krishna first then later eat that food as Prashadam or mercy. Lord Krishna can do anything so he transforms the food offered to him into spiritual food, this will free us from sin and karmic reactions.

    Eating only food offered to Krishna is the ultimate perfection of the vegetarian diet. After all, pigeons and monkeys are also vegetarian, so becoming a vegetarian is not in itself the greatest of accomplishments. The Vedas inform us that the purpose of human life is to reawaken the soul to its relationship with God, and only when we go beyond vegetarianism to prasada can our eating be helpful in achieving this goal.

    Cardinal Danielou: But why does God create some animals who eat other animals? There is a fault in the creation, it seems.

    Srila Prabhupada: It is not a fault. God is very kind. If you want to eat animals, then He’ll give you full facility. God will give you the body of a tiger in your next life so that you can eat flesh very freely. “Why are you maintaining slaughterhouses? I’ll give you fangs and claws. Now eat.” So the meat-eaters are awaiting such punishment. The animal-eaters become tigers, wolves, cats, and dogs in their next life–to get more facility.”


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    First of all I am not denying that those who eat meat but not kill the animal directly escape the result of his action or something like that neither I do know how far Manu Samhita can be considered as an authority for what to eat or what not because Manu samhita also authorizes meat eating in verse 31 chapter 5. Actually I don’t have any copy of manu samhita but one of my friends has suggested this verse there.

    Secondly,
    in Srimad Bhagavatam verse (3.29.15) says

    nisevitenanimittena
    sva-dharmena mahiyasa
    kriya-yogena sastena
    natihimsrena nityasah

    A devotee must execute his prescribed duties, which are glorious, without material profit. Without excessive violence, one should regularly perform one's devotional activities.

    However, purport by prabhupada clears the cloud from the sky when he says that “The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life for eating purposes, and a devotee, who is vegetarian, is also killing. But here, significantly, it is stated that every living entity has to live by killing another entity; that is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam: one living entity is the life for another living entity

    Thirdly, the verse where shri Krishna says “vegetable food stuff should be offered” not mentioned. It is in the BG verse 26 of chapter 9 which says “ patram pushpam ---------prayatatmanah” that is “ what ever man gives me in true devotion whether a leaf. A flower, a fruit or water, I accept that gift of love from the pure soul” . I don’t think shri Krishna wants food stuff from his devotee instead he wants prem bhakti associated with offering. The so called followers suffer from a general perception that whatever vegetable food stuff they offer , that is accepted by shri bhagavan and it becomes prasadam. I am surprised to see that even after taking prasadam for whole day everyday, they are as usual as any other normal follower. Could you think what would have been their spiritual progress if they could have eaten the prasadam actually tasted by swayam bhagavan instead I have seen them falling sick by taking so called prasadam . Shri Krishna accepts the offering of very close associates and pure devotee only. And shri bhagavan keeps himself away from anything made of mayic indriyas . if you accept that shri Krishna transforms the food offered to him into spiritual food then what makes difference whether he is offered veg or non veg . It is evident from your argument that at least he is not taking the same food stuff offered by you in the form of vegetables. We see gaudiya math followers offering food stuff in their homes and also in maths and taking prasadam ( perception) and doing things unbecoming of them like engaged in war among themselves for higher post or commanding position in the organization if not granted , leaving the org and starting new one of his own etc etc. is this the mercy of prasadam taken five times everyday ?

    Lastly, I think you follow prabhupada from your heart and prabhupad also followed shri Nityananda prabhu. Now go to verses comprising conversation between nityananda prabhu and advaita prabhu in the chapter 24 of Madhya khanda of “ chaitanya bhagavat” written by brindavan das thakur where shri advaita prabhu saying to shri nityananda prabhu “matsya khay mansa khay keman sannyasi” “ abdhute koribe sakal jati nash” “ kotha hoite madyaper hoilo parkash” Meaning : You eat fish! You eat meat! How are you a sannyasin ?” “ from where the drunkard was revealed ?” do these lines have any significance for you ?

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    "Thou Shalt Not Kill"
    Srila Prabhupada: We have to accept all the injunctions of the scripture as they are given, not only those that suit us. If you do not follow the first order, "Thou shalt not kill," then where is the question of love of God?
    Visitor: Christians take this commandment to be applicable to human beings, not to animals.
    Srila Prabhupada: That would mean that Christ was not intelligent enough to use the right word: murder. There is killing, and there is murder. Murder refers to human beings. So you think Jesus was not intelligent enough to use the right word - murder - instead of the word killing? Killing means any kind of killing and especially animal killing. If Jesus had meant simply the killing of humans, he would have used the word murder... If you want to interpret these words, that is something else. We understand the direct meaning. "Thou shalt not kill" means "The Christians should not kill."
    Father Emmanuel: Isn't the eating of plants also killing?
    Srila Prabhupada: The Vaisnava philosophy teaches that we should not even kill plants unnecessarily. In the Bhagavad-gita [9.26] Krishna says: "If someone offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or a little water, I will accept it." We offer Krishna only the kind of food He demands, and then we eat the remnants. If offering vegetarian food to Krishna were sinful, then it would be Krishna's sin, not ours. But God is apapa-viddha - sinful reactions are not applicable to Him... Eating food first offered to the Lord is also something like a soldier's killing during wartime. In a war, when the commander orders a man to attack, the obedient soldier who kills the enemy will get a medal. But if the same soldier kills someone on his own, he will be punished. Similarly, when we eat only prasadam [the remnants of food offered to Krishna], we do not commit any sin. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita [3.13]: "The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food that is first offered for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
    Father Emmanuel: Krishna cannot give permission to eat animals?
    Srila Prabhupada: Yes - in the animal kingdom. But the civilized human being, the religious human being, is not meant to kill and eat animals. If you stop killing animals and chant the holy name of Christ, everything will be perfect... I think the Christian priests should cooperate with the Krishna consciousness movement. They should chant the name Christ or Christos and should stop condoning the slaughter of animals. This program follows the teachings of the Bible; it is not my philosophy. Please act accordingly and you will see how the world situation will change.

    Science of Self-Realization (pp. 129-33

    Physical Effects of Meat-Eating
    Ample food grains can be produced through agricultural enterprises, and profuse milk, yogurt, and ghee can be arranged through cow protection. Abundant honey can be obtained if the forests are protected. Unfortunately, in modern civilization, men are busy killing the cows that are the source of yogurt, milk, and ghee; they are cutting down all the trees that supply honey, and they are opening factories to manufacture nuts, bolts, automobiles, and wine instead of engaging in agriculture. How can the people be happy? They must suffer from all the misery of materialism. Their bodies become wrinkled and gradually deteriorate until they become almost like dwarves, and a bad odor emanates from their bodies because of unclean perspiration resulting from eating all kinds of nasty things. This is not human civilization.



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    Re: hare krishna mahamantra

    Quote Originally Posted by timetraveler View Post
    "Thou Shalt Not Kill"
    Srila Prabhupada: We have to accept all the injunctions of the scripture as they are given, not only those that suit us. If you do not follow the first order, "Thou shalt not kill," then where is the question of love of God?
    Visitor: Christians take this commandment to be applicable to human beings, not to animals.
    Srila Prabhupada: That would mean that Christ was not intelligent enough to use the right word: murder. There is killing, and there is murder. Murder refers to human beings. So you think Jesus was not intelligent enough to use the right word - murder - instead of the word killing? Killing means any kind of killing and especially animal killing. If Jesus had meant simply the killing of humans, he would have used the word murder... If you want to interpret these words, that is something else. We understand the direct meaning. "Thou shalt not kill" means "The Christians should not kill."
    Father Emmanuel: Isn't the eating of plants also killing?
    Srila Prabhupada: The Vaisnava philosophy teaches that we should not even kill plants unnecessarily. In the Bhagavad-gita [9.26] Krishna says: "If someone offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or a little water, I will accept it." We offer Krishna only the kind of food He demands, and then we eat the remnants. If offering vegetarian food to Krishna were sinful, then it would be Krishna's sin, not ours. But God is apapa-viddha - sinful reactions are not applicable to Him... Eating food first offered to the Lord is also something like a soldier's killing during wartime. In a war, when the commander orders a man to attack, the obedient soldier who kills the enemy will get a medal. But if the same soldier kills someone on his own, he will be punished. Similarly, when we eat only prasadam [the remnants of food offered to Krishna], we do not commit any sin. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita [3.13]: "The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food that is first offered for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin."
    Father Emmanuel: Krishna cannot give permission to eat animals?
    Srila Prabhupada: Yes - in the animal kingdom. But the civilized human being, the religious human being, is not meant to kill and eat animals. If you stop killing animals and chant the holy name of Christ, everything will be perfect... I think the Christian priests should cooperate with the Krishna consciousness movement. They should chant the name Christ or Christos and should stop condoning the slaughter of animals. This program follows the teachings of the Bible; it is not my philosophy. Please act accordingly and you will see how the world situation will change.

    Science of Self-Realization (pp. 129-33

    Physical Effects of Meat-Eating
    Ample food grains can be produced through agricultural enterprises, and profuse milk, yogurt, and ghee can be arranged through cow protection. Abundant honey can be obtained if the forests are protected. Unfortunately, in modern civilization, men are busy killing the cows that are the source of yogurt, milk, and ghee; they are cutting down all the trees that supply honey, and they are opening factories to manufacture nuts, bolts, automobiles, and wine instead of engaging in agriculture. How can the people be happy? They must suffer from all the misery of materialism. Their bodies become wrinkled and gradually deteriorate until they become almost like dwarves, and a bad odor emanates from their bodies because of unclean perspiration resulting from eating all kinds of nasty things. This is not human civilization.



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    this all reveals that only desha kala and patra can decide your food. if situation arises you may have to eat animal flesh and that was seen when Ram Sita Lakshman and pandava were in exile. they were bound to hunt animal. I think we all who advocates various arguments in favour of veg or non veg should read the history of famine that india already experienced in the past . we have to remember that every part of India can not produce crops like areas on the banks of the rivers. we have regions where few crops can be produced. people have to depend on availability of food irrespective of veg or non veg. survival is first option.

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    Dandavats prabhuji

    Yes survival is natural instinct and to prolong ones life is natural tendancy the sadhus like narrottama is for people to not lose dharma which is the natural instinct and is the only thing that can survive harsh reality of material existences where death and suffering is garunteed


    hare krsna

    at this moment in time I really can’t think of an more evil thought that meat eating karmi demons are getting their reactions and it’s a good thing that c19 is god punishing demons

    while many people die

    Families town apart

    people losing homes and business

    millions of helpless homeless poor people stranded in india facing even worse conditions

    while self righteous so called spiritual people are celebrating thinking that it’s karmic retribution

    what a sad and terrible view and not a Krsna conscious one
    Last edited by markandeya 108 dasa; 29 March 2020 at 12:14 AM.

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