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    Quote Originally Posted by Singhi Kaya
    Lol....but we should not mock orlando for our misfortune.
    Common, who is mocking?

    Italian connection is not negative in connotion. I was appreciating him for adding a thread to the pre existing connection.

    Treating italian connection as misfortune is essentially political, which I defer in this forum. Probably I may agree with you or may not agree with you out of this forum.

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    Sorry mis-understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramkish42
    The answer is no for a vaishnav in strict sense.

    The guideline given by Srimad Bhaagavat mahapurana relates to bhakti yoga, in which, we trust, even sage Vyasa is yet to reach god.

    The idea is simple.

    Bhakti yoga takes time to give moksha and those who are strong enough to endure the pain like Vyasa Maharishi, Vashista Maharishi can go for it. For those who are not that strong enough, lord has offered an easiest method called Charanaagati. Surrender in toto, and this will lead you to Moksha.

    However, charanaagati does not dispense with namajapa, for namajapa is done not with aim of moksha for it is already guaranteed, it is done for bhaghavat preeti.


    bhagawaaneva .... swayameva kaarithavaan depicts this very well
    Of course this is true for us Sri vaishnavas.Gaudiya-vaishnavas take literally the puranic doctrin that in Kali-yuga one mays obtain Moksha just by reciting Lord's names.

    Regards,
    Orlando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singhi Kaya
    Sorry mis-understood.
    No need for sorry, dear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhakta of God
    Of course this is true for us Sri vaishnavas.Gaudiya-vaishnavas take literally the puranic doctrin that in Kali-yuga one mays obtain Moksha just by reciting Lord's names.

    Regards,
    Orlando.
    Gaudia Vaishnavs feel, chanting lords name in Kali Yuga will stop mind flowing into other materials, thereby will uphold their bhakthi on lord. Thus it offers Moksha - but bhakthi marga is tougher and promise of moksha in this same janma is absent - however, Bhakthi marg can lead to Moksha provided the strength of Bhakthi is very strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramkish42
    The answer is no for a vaishnav in strict sense.

    The guideline given by Srimad Bhaagavat mahapurana relates to bhakti yoga, in which, we trust, even sage Vyasa is yet to reach god.

    The idea is simple.

    Bhakti yoga takes time to give moksha and those who are strong enough to endure the pain like Vyasa Maharishi, Vashista Maharishi can go for it. For those who are not that strong enough, lord has offered an easiest method called Charanaagati. Surrender in toto, and this will lead you to Moksha.

    However, charanaagati does not dispense with namajapa, for namajapa is done not with aim of moksha for it is already guaranteed, it is done for bhaghavat preeti.

    bhagawaaneva .... swayameva kaarithavaan depicts this very well
    I think that people not familiar with Sri Vaishnava teology may not understand why Bhakti-Yoga takes time to give Moksha and why one musts be strong enough to practice Bhakti-yoga.
    So I will give some notes of clarification.
    In Sri Vaishnavism context,bhakti-yoga must not be understood in the ordinary sense of the term as devotion. The term bhakti has a special significance in this context.
    By http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/acharyas/...asangraha.html
    Here the word bhakti does not connote the popular sense in which it is understood. Bhakti-yoga is loving meditation upon God. When the meditation attains the form of "firm remembrance" (dhruva-anusmrtih) characterised by intense love, the vision of the Supreme is attained. It must be mentioned here that the final release is attained after the dissolution of the body. One endowed with such bhakti and self-surrender attains the fitness to earn the grace of the Lord. This bhakti itself is upasana or vidya mentioned in the Upanishads. It is same as knowledge spoken of in the srutis: "One who knows Brahman attains the Supreme," (Tai. II.1), "He who knows him becomes immortal here," (Pu. 20), and "He who knows Brahman becomes Brahman," (Mu. 3.2.9). As the vision of the Supreme is not possible through ordinary means of perception, he can be seen only through bhakti, which is a unique form of knowledge. This is in consonance with the Gita declaration, "I am attainable only through undivided bhakti" (9.54).


    By http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/vedanta/vidyas.html

    The 32 brahma-vidyas of the Upanishads
    The various meditations on Brahman (God, the Absolute) taught in the Vedanta.
    Sad Vidya -- Brahman as the ground of all being
    Chhandogya Upanishad, VI
    Antaraaditya Vidya -- Brahman as the Inner Controller of the Sun
    Chhandogya Upanishad, I.vi.6
    Akasa Vidya -- Brahman as the Cosmic Ether
    Chhandogya Upanishad, I.ix.1
    Prana Vidya -- Brahman as the Vital Breath
    Chhandogya Upanishad, I.xi.5
    Paramjyoti Vidya -- Brahman as the Supreme Splendor
    Chhandogya Upanishad, III.xiii.7
    Sandilya Vidya -- Meditation as taught by Sandilya
    Chhandogya Upanishad, III.xiv.7
    Upakosala Vidya -- Meditation as taught to Upakosala
    Chhandogya Upanishad, IV.x
    Vaisvaanara Vidya -- Brahman as the Universal Being
    Chhandogya Upanishad, V.xi
    Bhuma Vidya -- Brahman as the Great One
    Chhandogya Upanishad, VII
    Satyakaama Vidya -- Meditation as taught to Satyakaama Jaabaala
    Chhandogya Upanishad, IV.iv
    Dahara Vidya -- Brahman as the Imperceptible Ether within the Heart
    Chhandogya Upanishad, VIII
    Madhu Vidya -- Brahman as Honey
    Chhandogya Upanishad, III.i
    Samvarga Vidya
    Chhandogya Upanishad, IV.iii
    Gayatri Vidya -- Brahman as the Holy Gayatri Mantra
    Chhandogya Upanishad, III.xii
    Panca Agni Vidya -- The Meditation of the Five Fires
    Chhandogya Upanishad, V.iii to x.
    Akshi Vidya -- Brahman as being present within the Eye
    Chhandogya Upanishad, IV.xv.1

    Antaryaami Vidya -- Brahman as the Inner Controller
    Brhadaaranyaka Upanishad, III.vii
    Akshara Vidya -- Brahman as the Imperishable
    Brhadaaranyaka Upanishad, III.viii.8
    Jyotishaam jyotir Vidya -- Brahman as the Light of Lights
    Brhadaaranyaka Upanishad, IV.iv.16
    Maitreyi Vidya -- Meditation as taught by Yajnavalkya to his wife Maitreyi
    Brhadaaranyaka Upanishad, II.iv
    Sarvaantaraatmaa Vidya -- Brahman as the Inner Self of All
    Brhadaaranyaka Upanishad, III.iv

    Anandamaya Vidya -- Brahman as the Self consisting of Bliss
    Taittiriya Upanishad, Anandavalli
    Vaaruni Vidya -- Meditation as taught by the god Varuna
    Taittiriya Upanishad, Bhriguvalli

    Nyaasa Vidya -- Self-surrender
    Taittiriya Narayanam, 49-52

    Paramapurusha Vidya -- Brahman as the Supreme Person
    Katha Upanishad, I.iii
    Naciketa Vidya -- Meditation with the Naciketa fire
    Katha Upanishad, I.ii
    Angushta-pramita Vidya -- Brahman as resident within the Heart, of the size of the Thumb
    Katha Upanishad, II.iv.12

    Paryanka Vidya -- Brahman as the highest God seated in the Supreme Abode
    Kau****aki Upanishad, I
    Pratardana Vidya -- Meditation as taught to Pratardana by the god Indra
    Kau****aki Upanishad, III
    Baalaaki Vidya -- Meditation as taught to Baalaaki
    Kau****aki Upanishad, IV

    Aksharapara Vidya -- Meditation on the Imperishable
    Mundaka Upanishad, I

    Isavasya Vidya -- Meditation as taught in the Isavasya Upanishad
    Isavasya Upanishad


    In each Vidya, Brahman is meditated in a different way. Some of this characteristics or qualities of Brahman are highlighted and worshipped in each Vidya. Brahman is conceived in one way, in one vidya,and in another way, with some other qualities, in another vidya, and so on. Like the proverb "All ways lead to Rome", here also, these are only different ways of meditating on Brahman.The objective of all these vidyas is to attain Brahman i.e., salvation.

    There are conditions or restrictions or 7 types for taking up Bhakti Yoga:
    1.Body purity has to be maintained, by avoiding impure and unclean food.
    2.We have to be free from desires. We should not, desire any material things, like wealth and pleasures. Of course, if God gives, we aeeept them, as His gift.
    3.Frequent meditation of the Lord, in the form you cherish.
    4.Performing the rites and duties, as prescribed in the sastras.
    5.Kindness and compassion towards all beings; not injuring any human being or animal, even by thoughts or words (apart from deeds).
    6. To be in a cheerful and calm state of mind.
    7. To be free from pride or egoism (ahankara)

    There is no specific duration or period, during which these vidyas have to be practised. Each person can choose a particular vidya and go on practising it. The Bhakti Yoga is completed in one birth or it may not be over in one birth. The Bhakti, in the form of vidya, may have to be continued in two or three or several births.

    There is a chance of delay in the attainment of moksha, by adopting Bhakti Yoga. Salvation may be at the end of this life, or it may require several births. So, normally, in the present days, Bhakti Yoga is not practised.

    I got informations at http://www.srivaishnavan.com/ans_karma.html#1

    Regards,
    Orlando.

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    Great work. I will add your reputation for this

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