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    Sectarian Extremists Versus Jefferson
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    "The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the one true god, Jesus Christ," it declared. ...


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    Sectarian Extremists Versus Jefferson
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    "The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the one true god, Jesus Christ," it declared. ... More...
    Thank you Bot, that was a nice article. Clearly those who disrupted the Hindu prayer in the US Senate on Thursday, and those organizations which called for these protests have no idea what the Founding Fathers really stood for.

    Thomas Jefferson, the author of the concept that the United States should maintain a "wall of separation" in order to avoid the development of a state religion of the sort that had existed in the monarchies of Europe, was a student of Hinduism. His library included Hindu texts, and when he wrote the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom, which laid the groundwork for the Constitution protection of religious practice and pluralism, he specifically avoided making reference to the Christian faith -- though its adherents dominated the public life of Virginia and other colonies -- because he wanted it to be known that all religions, including Hinduism, were respected and welcomed in the United States.

    In his notes on the Virginia statute, Jefferson specifically argued that Hinduism and other faiths would be afforded the full protection and privileges of the act.

    Noting the overwhelming rejection by Virginia legislators of an amendment to his statute that proposed to insert a reference to Jesus Christ, Jefferson found "proof that they (the legislators who enacted the measure) meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the (non-practicing and disbelieving) infidel of every denomination."

    Jefferson's respect for religious pluralism in general, and Hinduism in particular, led him to compare notes with other founders of the American experiment. The third president and his predecessor, John Adams corresponded at some length about their respect for the teachings of the Hindu religion.

    It was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, who invited Rajan Zed to the chamber Thursday. But he did so in the name of Jefferson, Adams and the other founders who believed that America should make no religion supreme but rather should recognize and respect many faiths -- including Hinduism.



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    Sectarian Extremists Versus Jefferson
    Yahoo! News - 8 hours ago
    "The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the one true god, Jesus Christ," it declared. ...


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    Karma eventually will catch up on those who engage in such acts.
    I remember the Taliban destroying the Buddha images at Bamiyan, Afghanistan.
    It didn't take long afterwards for karma to catch up on them.
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    First of all, I don't see how this prayer is a 'Hindu' prayer. It seems like a universal request to the divine. Not sure if it even started with invocation of OM.

    Secondly, it only shows the cultic mentality of christianity. While christians get all the best treatment from Indian government we get shouted down even for saying a peach prayer!

    The behaviour of these people shouting and screaming shows the 'fear' they have of their bible GOD which is completely in line with the mainstream message of the maleccha scripture. I say mainstream because obviously there are members on HDF that have tried to present the non mainstream interpretations.

    If Indian hindus ever think of doing this in India, they will be labelled 'hindutva' especially first by other hindus!

    I would like to see what other 'christians' think of this shameful behaviour of these so called christian extremists. I don't see any christians condemning this behaviour but I can't help but think that had a hindu done this act how most hindus would be jumping up and down first trying to please the other religions.
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    Re: Sectarian Extremists Versus Jefferson - Yahoo! News

    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    First of all, I don't see how this prayer is a 'Hindu' prayer. It seems like a universal request to the divine. Not sure if it even started with invocation of OM.

    Secondly, it only shows the cultic mentality of christianity. While christians get all the best treatment from Indian government we get shouted down even for saying a peach prayer!

    The behaviour of these people shouting and screaming shows the 'fear' they have of their bible GOD which is completely in line with the mainstream message of the maleccha scripture. I say mainstream because obviously there are members on HDF that have tried to present the non mainstream interpretations.

    If Indian hindus ever think of doing this in India, they will be labelled 'hindutva' especially first by other hindus!

    I would like to see what other 'christians' think of this shameful behaviour of these so called christian extremists. I don't see any christians condemning this behaviour but I can't help but think that had a hindu done this act how most hindus would be jumping up and down first trying to please the other religions.

    Namaste,


    Unfortunately, there are a vociferous lot of evangelical Protestants (Christian) who think this was a good thing. And, as we enter the political season (did we ever leave?) the "Christian Right" is forming ranks and the neocons are exploiting the theocons.

    Fred Thompson is their appointed candidate, although he has yet to announce.

    If you want more information on these twisted souls, google "Dobson Christian" or "News with Views".

    The same entities which are persuing "church planting" in India also are attempting to convert the USA to their world view through similar processes in many respects. And, many of these are the ardent haters of Islam, too. Go figure.

    The Pope mentioned the other day (while preaching about how one needs to be Catholic to go to heaven) that there are something on the order of 28,000 Christian sects. LOL.

    Come on, satay, can't you find the irony at least a little humorous?

    BTW, I posted the OP article to a board dominated by these "Freepers". I didn't kill the thread, but I've seen no response from the posters calling for "a return to the Christian roots of the US", either



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    shrI kauladarshane chApi bhairaveNa mahAtmanA .

    It is revealed in the sacred doctrine of Kula and by the great Bhairava, that the perfection is achieved by that very means by which fall occurs.

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    I hope hinds pay attention to this story.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071202007.html

    Senate Prayer Led by Hindu Elicits Protest



    Senate Prayer Led by Hindu Elicits Protest
    Associated Press
    Friday, July 13, 2007; Page A07


    A Hindu clergyman made history yesterday by offering the Senate's morning prayer, but only after police officers removed three protesters from the visitors' gallery.

    Rajan Zed, director of interfaith relations at a Hindu temple in Reno, Nev., gave the prayer that opens each day's Senate session. As he stood at the lectern in a bright orange and burgundy robe, two women and a man began shouting "this is an abomination" and other complaints from the gallery.

    Police officers arrested them and charged them disrupting Congress, a misdemeanor. The male protester said "we are Christians and patriots" before police led them away. Police identified the protesters as Ante Nedlko Pavkovic, Katherine Lynn Pavkovic and Christan Renee Sugar. Their home towns were not available.

    For several days, the Mississippi-based American Family Association has urged its members to object to the prayer because Zed would be "seeking the invocation of a non-monotheistic god."

    Zed, the first Hindu to offer the Senate prayer, began: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds."

    Zed, who was born in India, was invited by Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) He defended the choice and linked it to the war debate. "If people have any misunderstanding about Indians and Hindus," Reid said, "all they have to do is think of Gandhi," a man "who gave his life for peace."


    Christian extremists disrupt Hindu Senate invocation

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    Namaskar Satay,
    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    First of all, I don't see how this prayer is a 'Hindu' prayer. It seems like a universal request to the divine. Not sure if it even started with invocation of OM.
    I thought so too at first sight, but it turns out they were translated Hindu prayers. The first one was the Gayatri mantra, then some Upanishadic prayers. He planned to recite the prayers in Sanskrit, but apparently one cannot say non-English prayers in the US senate. But, I agree he could have begun and ended with an OM. In fact, the same man had started a session of the Nevada state senate back in May with full Sanskrit prayers. He was a big hit there, and then got invited to the US Senate.

    I would like to see what other 'christians' think of this shameful behaviour of these so called christian extremists. I don't see any christians condemning this behaviour
    Yes, the non-extremist religious leaders did not condemn this behavior, but plenty of individuals have in articles, blogs, etc.

    OM Shanti,
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    For several days, the Mississippi-based American Family Association has urged its members to object to the prayer because Zed would be "seeking the invocation of a non-monotheistic god."
    According to this organization, God has been very kind to the US thus far, and having a Hindu prayer in the Senate will certainly incur His wrath. It's interesting that God does not anger at disrupting prayers and senate sessions. These sorts of organizations want more God in government, but it means only "their God".

    OM Shanti,
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    WASHINGTON, D.C., July 13, 2007: (HPI note: We include here excerpts from a few more reports on the disrupted Hindu prayer in the US Senate. The only other non-Christian or non-Jew to give a Senate prayer was Wallace Mohammed, a Muslim who recited a prayer in 1992.) Conservative Christian groups protested the first appearance of a guest Hindu chaplain on the Senate floor Thursday (July 12). When Rajan Zed, public relations officer of the Indian Association of Northern Nevada, stepped to the Senate rostrum to pray, protesters began shouting from inside the chamber before he could begin. "Lord Jesus, forgive us, Father, for allowing the prayer of the wicked which is an abomination in your sight," shouted one protester before the U.S. Capitol Police removed three people. Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a representative for the Capitol Police, said a man and two women from Davidson, N.C., were charged with a misdemeanor count of unlawful conduct for disrupting Congress. Zed went on to pray: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven."

    Pastor Rod Parsley, president of the Columbus, Ohio-based Center for Moral Clarity, said in an interview that Zed's appearance reflects American diversity, and said he had no objections. "My opinion would be that America is the marketplace of ideas and that we should open our doors and our hearts to those of differing religious persuasions than ours, and in a free and open society allow points of views to be heard as loudly and clearly as they can be made," he said.



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    3. Head Of Christian Right Group Calls Hindu Senate Invocation "Gross Idolatry"
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    USA, July 12, 2007: (HPI note: electioncentral.tpmcafe.com is a wide-ranging blog site which posted the following item by Eric Kleefeld.) As we reported earlier today, a religious and political milestone of sorts took place early today when a Hindu delivered the morning invocation in the Senate chamber -- only to find the ceremony disrupted by three activists from the Christian Right anti-abortion group Operation Save America.

    Well, Election Central has just gotten off the phone with the group's chief, Rev. Flip Benham. And he's hailing the move by the three activists -- while slamming the Hindu's appearance as "gross idolatry."

    In the interview, Benham praised the three activists, Ante and Katherine Pavkovic and their daughter Kristen. And he scorned the idea of the Hindu invocation.

    "What we have here is just a wonderful example of Christian theology becoming biography in the sacred chamber of the United States Senate, as a Hindu was offering up a prayer to open up the session this morning. And the folks that were there [the Pavkovics] ... waited for the Senate, or a Senator with a backbone, to remind the Hindu that there is one God who made this country great, and his name is Jesus."

    The Pavkovics disrupted the ceremony after seeing that no Senator would emerge to challenge the Hindu clergyman's beliefs.

    The idea to protest the Hindu's invocation originated in a very organic way, Benham said in the interview. The Pavkovics had come to Washington to protest the proposed hate crimes bill with other activists. When everyone else was headed home, the family found out about the upcoming Hindu presence in the Senate, and realized they could not simply stay silent.

    "They thought they needed to go and represent the Lord who made this nation great," Benham said. The event, he said, is emblematic of the modern tendency of "other religions being held on a par with Christianity. Of course, we have said that is not true, that indeed Christianity is one way."

    Election Central asked Benham what he thought of Tim Wildmon, president of the far-right American Family Association, who was quoted by CNN condemning the Pavkovic family's behavior. Wildmon told CNN: "We would not ever encourage shouting in the gallery like that, we asked people to contact their Senators to show their disapproval."

    Benham said he respects Wildmon as a friend and ally, but he thinks his friend is simply wrong on this matter. "Our answer is," Benham said, "When one stands up in the face of gross idolatry being allowed in the Senate, in the chamber of the United States Senate, it is incumbent on a Christian to stand up and speak the truth. No matter what, we must obey God rather than men."

    "When you stand up and are arrested, and the H indu is allowed to go free, this country has gone upside-down," Benham added -- though when asked, he later clarified that he does not believe people of other religions should be arrested for their beliefs. "Now, why are Hindus allowed here? Why are Muslims allowed here? Because we are a nation that's free, built upon the principles of almighty God."

    Source: Hinduism Today Electronic News Letter
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    Re: Sectarian Extremists Versus Jefferson - Yahoo! News

    I can't believe the addiction to "Jesus the Junk"...

    America is an ecnomic power not because of sadistic tyrant GOD of christianity, it is great because of the hardwork of minorities of all religions.

    When are these junkies going to come out of their cultic cave mentality and start living in the current century?
    satay

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