Hari Om
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Originally Posted by
Madhavan
Such guna might be like: imperishability, invincibility, immutability etc
I think Nirguna Brahman= energy(shakti) which is unutilized in its raw form where it is not differentiated into different kinds.
Saguna Brahman = It is the sum total of different kinds of energies like gravitational, magnetic, electrostatic etc all of which have their origin in the raw source. Yet Saguna Brahman=Nirguna Brahman in total energy which is infinite.
Namaste Madvan & suresh, (et.al)
A very good conversation. What do the rishi's say about this? Tad Ekam, That One ( neither he or she). There is only one Brahman. To help understand this though, we are stuck with words and concepts. Hence, the Niguna and Saguna ( same coin, just two sides of it). Niguna is quality-less.As many call it Aksara [ a=not + ksi=destroy or perish].
I think Madvan was going there in this post... just pure potential, without bounds.
The Guna's do not come into being until there is manifestation. Then the play of these gunas brings us the world, the universe. These three properties are Prakriti ( now we have just switched to Samkaya thinking as we have added Prakriti to the conversation) are really its very constituents, not merely qualifications. Like 3 strands of a rope. Together they go as the rope, yet of 3 strands. They are responsible for giving us the 5 tattvas (elements), the 5 organs of knowledge, the 5 organs of action, etc. 24 principles are laid out in the Samkaya philosophy and then there is the 25th Purusha.
They , the gunas, work amongst themselves, just as Krsna says in the Bhagavad Gita. It is the gunas that act on themselves. (Chapt 3.27 Gita). Krsna says 'be without the 3 gunas' (Chpt 2.45). What ? how do you do that , if this entire universe is operated by their inter-twining actions. How can we be without them? Krsna gives directions, yet the one that is relevant to this post is chapt 4.35, as He says ' Know this O son of Pandu, you will no more fall into such delusions; for through this you will see all beings in your SELF, and also in Me" .
We're trying to lay it out so to avoid being too esoteric and to have folks get a feel that this 'Reality' is not out there some where, but so close to us, its part of every thing we do... perhaps you will have a chance to participate there, as suresh has started. The framework is still being laid out, and the key is in turiya...this is where we will find the answer, in ther 4th.
pranams,
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