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    Re: Cannibalism in India past....?

    Namaste Nuno,
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuno Matos View Post
    At least in the beginning and the prof is, that Goa was almost given to the Portuguese's for their help fighting the muslin ruler of that region and both Portuguese's and Hindus had a period of prosperity.
    Given by who Nuno? Since the 10th century, Gomantak (Goa) was ruled by the Kadamba dynasty. By the mid-1300s, it fell under Muslim Sultantes. For a period of time, the region was taken over by the Vijaynagar Hindu Empire of South India, but again lost to the Sultan of Bijapur by the mid-1400s. When Alfanso de Albuquerque reached there in 1510, it was indeed the Hindu generals (Nayaks), particulary Timoja, who helped him in his conquest to liberate it from Islamic hands. It was only ~30 years later that the Jesuits and Francis Xavier came with the inquisition (we all know what happened next). Two centuries later, Shahuji, the grandson of Shivaji Maharaj, almost took control of the region, but more reinforcements came from Portugal to defeat his forces in Bardez. The regions gained therein were called Novas Conquestas.

    I promise that if no special circumstance comes about i will talk no more about Portuguese´s and their presence in India on that period.
    Never the less i think Indians should know better their true history.
    No, please do not stop speaking about history. It is important for us to know history as it is, and not an emotional version of it. Starting in the mid-1700s the Portuguese themselves expelled (and executed) the Jesuits, putting an end to the inquisition. Since then, there has been religious freedom. Hindus and their religious institutions were invited back and Hinduism made a comeback in the region since the 1800s. All the original Hindu institutions have been re-established, although not in their original spots. Originally, most of the temples and religious institutions were located in Brahmapuri (Goa Velha), but most of them are now in Novas Conquestas.

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    Namaste,

    The Portuguese ruled Goa for about 450 years, and Goan Hindus only had to endure the Inquisition for 252 of those years.

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    Namaste Nuno,

    Given by who Nuno? Since the 10th century, Gomantak (Goa) was ruled by the Kadamba dynasty. By the mid-1300s, it fell under Muslim Sultantes. For a period of time, the region was taken over by the Vijaynagar Hindu Empire of South India, but again lost to the Sultan of Bijapur by the mid-1400s. When Alfanso de Albuquerque reached there in 1510, it was indeed the Hindu generals (Nayaks), particulary Timoja, who helped him in his conquest to liberate it from Islamic hands. It was only ~30 years later that the Jesuits and Francis Xavier came with the inquisition (we all know what happened next). Two centuries later, Shahuji, the grandson of Shivaji Maharaj, almost took control of the region, but more reinforcements came from Portugal to defeat his forces in Bardez. The regions gained therein were called Novas Conquestas.

    No, please do not stop speaking about history. It is important for us to know history as it is, and not an emotional version of it. Starting in the mid-1700s the Portuguese themselves expelled (and executed) the Jesuits, putting an end to the inquisition. Since then, there has been religious freedom. Hindus and their religious institutions were invited back and Hinduism made a comeback in the region since the 1800s. All the original Hindu institutions have been re-established, although not in their original spots. Originally, most of the temples and religious institutions were located in Brahmapuri (Goa Velha), but most of them are now in Novas Conquestas.

    OM Shanti,
    A.
    Thanks Agnideva ... there cannot be a more fair post on the issue.

    Nuno, I was not trying to get at you, but wanted to remind ourselves that history has multiple angles. It may be that Hindu's originally supported the Portuguese in an effort to get freedom from muslim rulers. But the history that following in not exactly that of allies ~ No other western conquering race could re-enact the inquisition in India. St Francis Xavier is a blot in history which must also be mentioned if you are talking about Portuguese history in India. That's all.
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    Namaste all

    Thank you Sarabhanga and Agnideva for your sympathy. In fact the inquisition was some horrible thing for Hindus as for Portuguese as well. What happened in Goa also happened in Portugal with the persecution of witch's and witch doctors ( in here they wore called virtuosos) and heretics as well.

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    Yes its a religious thing and not nationalistic or racial.
    What is Here, is Elsewhere. What is not Here, is Nowhere.

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