Krsna's Chart - Janmashtami

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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Namaste on this Krishna Janmashtami

Jyotish tools are quite limited when dealing with Avatara, especially Keshava. Yet what are some of the things we may find with Madhava's janma Kundali? We know a few things from the shastras and with the help of BV Raman's work.

If we look to the Visnu Purana and Srimad Bhagavatam it suggests Krsna lived for 125 years. We also note that he retired from this world at the beginning of Kali yuga's start of 3102 BC. Some say his departure was the advent of this yuga's entrance.

So 3102 BC minus 125 years gives Kesava's birth in 3227 BC. Now what month , date and time? We know during the dark half of the month of Sravana and the 8th lunar day. The moon ( as today) was in Rohini , the constellation of Taurus. Scriptures say his birth was ~ midnight. So from this a chart can be erected.

Even if one did not see Krsna's chart one knows intuitively Krsna's Chara atmakaraka, it is the Sun. This suggests there is nothing for this being to accomplish spiritually on this good earth, all will come to Him.
And in Krsna's chart, the sun, Surya is at home in Leo residing comfortably at 'home'. Yet in this degree the sun is in its Moolatrikona position - that is, its 'office' and has some business to attend to.

And what can be this business of Krsna ? Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4.7 - 4.8 "Whenever dharma is in decay and adharma flourishes, O Bharata (Arjuna) then I take birth [ I create Myself]. To protect the righteous and the destroy the wicked, to establish dharma firmly, I take birth age after age." This Sun is royalty, and is also the natural atmakaraka of all on this good earth - as is Krsna, the core of one's SELF.

And what of the moon? Chandra ? It is exalted in Taurus. It shows the full blossoming of the heart/emotions. So both luminaries [ sun and moon] reside in their most auspicious place in the Bha Chakara ( the constellations].

Yet Krsna was born under some apparent duress, yes?

• Born of Deviki and Vasudeva, they were under the threat of the asura king Kamsa that the 8th son of Deviki would threaten him (Kamsa), so he wanted to destroy Krsna early on. Krana was born (really appeared) while Devki was hiden away in a prison hideout.
• This can be seen with the Lagna lord co-joined with Rahu and the 12 lord Mars. This 12 house gives to constraints/prisons, time away, etc. and Mars rules prisons; Add to the fact that Sani gives rasi dristi and graha dristi, AND resides in Mars house ( to help him do his work), this indicates the possibility of Ksna's birth in detention with Mother ( obviously) - that of moon and venus.

Some interesting points
Mars is in the 3rd house ( a dusthana) and also owns the 12 house, Aries.

• A dusthana in a dusthana give strength. So a Vipareet rajayoga occurs for Sri Krsna and gets graha bala or planetary strength from this. And this serves Krsna well all throughout His earth life.
• Because of this strength, there is something that is quite remarkable here. Rahu is with the Lagna lord Venus ( one of the most notable spiritual planets as Sukracharaya). And Rahu is considered a naga. We know Sesa naga surrounds and protects Sri Visnu. This is the case in Krsna's chart . As if this babe was vulnerable, He has protection of infinity, Sesa naga at his service. [This too can be seen Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu charts also - that is uncanny to say the least.]
• This 3rd house strength of Mars may perhaps indicate invincibility for the avatara, and very good strength for us mortals.

Side note for Arvind and other jyotisha's considering a most recent post http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=15583&postcount=5 on benefics in the 3rd and 6th houses for one being a sadhu. in Krsna's chart , 3rd from AL is Aries owned by Mars, and 6th from AL is Cancer, in which Mars resides... a most interesting combination. Note from the post just listed we discussed the cause of ones death, yes? The 3rd house gives one a clue on ones death. 3rd house owner is Mars - and Mars rules hunting - how did Keshava die?
Mars rules weapons. And Mars is in the 6th from AL, and also in the 3rd from Lagna. A most interesting indication of Krsna's reason for departing this earth.

Now what can jyotish not explain?
What of Krsna's 16,108 wives? Lagna lord Venus ( high potency) and Mars , owner of 7th lord of relationships and now in strength as Vipareet rajyoga, could never consider or predict 16,108 wives. Now reacall he had 10 sons from each wife (10 X 16,108) = 16,108,000. Where does one see children from? - the 5th house. And Krsna's 5th house lord, Mercury is exalted in Virgo with Jupiter ( owner of expanision). There's lots more that is difficult to impossible to explain.

What of Krsna as amsa-kalah - he is this single most , complete avatara. This cannot not even be fathomed in a Jyotish chart. (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.28]

There is more we can discsuss...

• Krsna's full knowledge as reflected in the Bhagavd Gita ( perfect knoweldge) Mercury + Jupiter in the 9th house in Navamsa.
• Krsna's charm and graciousness - Chandra in Rohini and vargottma ( same location in Navamsa also called Dharmansa).
• His desire as the Jagadguru for yoga for the sadhu: Ketu + moon
• His Siddhi's ot asta (8) Siddhi's - look to Sani as yogakaraka or owner of the 9th and 10th house in the rasi chart.
• Krsna's complete control of Maya - tat is Chandra ( mind) contols Rahu by dispostorship - this is a new area of learning for me, and I became aware of this 'strength' recently.
• Most noteworthy - benefics in trines to the Karakamsa - Sun, jupiter, mercury and moon.
• My favorite - 12th from Karakamsa postion is the indicator of ones Ishtadevata in the D9 or Navamsa chart . The Sun is in Virgo, and the 12th from it, is Leo. The owner of Leo is Sun = Atamakaraka. Hense there is no difference between the Atma and the Ishta. Krsna has accomplished all there needs to be accomplished.

Sarvam Sri Krsnarpanam Astu
Hari Om Tat Sat

[set_raj]

Jai Shri krishna

[shanthanu_sarma]

Namastey Yajvan ji,
Nice to read your interpretations on Keshava's Chart. I love knowing more about krishna from Astrology perspective. Pls give us more information from jyotisha's point of view on krishna's life events. I am sure you would have studied the chart in depth.

Thank You,
Shanthanu.

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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Namasté

I wrote in post 1

What of Krsna as amsa-kalah - he is this single most , complete avatara. This cannot not even be fathomed in a Jyotish chart. (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.28]

I am sure there is more to write yet it will fall short of the fullness and completeness that keśava (Kṛṣṇa) brought to this good earth.
Why so? It is in His name keśava. We know this word keśava means having long ,handsome hair. Yet if we look deeper we see the brilliance of His name keśava. It is ka + a + īśa = keśava.

• ka क - is brahmā ; it is also splendor, light; it is 1st consonant of the saṃskṛt assembly of akṣara¹, that is, the nāgarī¹ letters of the saṃskṛt alphabet.
• a अ - is a noun of viṣṇu ; it is the first letter the first vowel (svara) of the saṃskṛt assembly of akṣara¹, that is, the nāgarī¹ letters of the saṃskṛt alphabet. From here , from this a, all else proceeds.
• īśa ईश - is master, lord; it is a noun of śiva, the Supreme, Śivabhaṭṭāraka.

So what does this keśava tell us? It is He that is the Supreme Śivabhaṭṭāraka, who controls and is the master of and lord of brahmā and viṣṇu.
For me as a meager jyotiṣa śiṣya to look at the depth and breath of keśava's chart at this level of Greatness is beyond my ( and most) jyotiṣa abilities. Even the jyotiṣ śāstri (teacher, one who knows) suggest that when it comes to the Divine and the avatāra (Divine decent of Being) classical jyotiṣ tools and approaches fall short.

That said and as time permits I will look to some of the jyotiṣa-s I think are excellent and see if they add any additional insights to Kṛṣṇa's chart.

praṇām

words

nāgarī नागरी - city or town.
akṣara अक्षर- a letter, vowel, sound, word; also means imperishable

[Stephen]

>My favorite - 12th from Karakamsa postion is the indicator of ones Ishtadevata in the D9 or Navamsa chart .

In the general sense, does one consider the ruler of 12th house from the Karakamsa, planets residing in it, or does one have to weigh and balance both considerations somehow?

[LALKAR]

Namaste Yajvan G

This is great post

Jai Sri Krishan

[Stephen]

>My favorite - 12th from Karakamsa postion is the indicator of ones Ishtadevata in the D9 or Navamsa chart .

In the general sense, does one consider the ruler of 12th house from the Karakamsa, planets residing in it, or does one have to weigh and balance both considerations somehow?

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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namast�

Kṛṣṇa chose to be born in the janma-nakṣatra of rohiṇī . This rohiṇī is defined as rising , assending, growing, increasing ; it is also 'above' from the word rohan.
we know rohiṇī can also be a red cow ( from rohita , 'red or reddish' ) and as the word evolved came to mean any cow , represented as a daughter of surabhi and mother of cattle.

We know too kṛṣṇa as the cow-herder and a nice fit with this rohiṇī.
Does anyone care to offer a POV on why śṛi kṛṣṇa-ji chose this rohiṇī nakṣatra for His birth?

praṇām

[kd gupta]

hariḥ oṁ
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namasté

Kṛṣṇa chose to be born in the janma-nakṣatra of rohiṇī . This rohiṇī is defined as rising , assending, growing, increasing ; it is also 'above' from the word rohan.
we know rohiṇī can also be a red cow ( from rohita , 'red or reddish' ) and as the word evolved came to mean any cow , represented as a daughter of surabhi and mother of cattle.

We know too kṛṣṇa as the cow-herder and a nice fit with this rohiṇī.
Does anyone care to offer a POV on why śṛi kṛṣṇa-ji chose this rohiṇī nakṣatra for His birth?

Pranam
Gita is full of word I , people wonder that how Krsn addresses himself as Vishnu and also at one place he says that he is Vasudeo in Vrashnish .

Just we try to look into these Vedmantras….
Urugayay vrashne…Urugayasya vrashnah 3,6/154/1mandalam rig veda .
We find that veda prays for vishnu as vrashnah , same as krsn hints him to come from vrashnish .

Again take another vedmantra ….
Aa Krsnen rajasa vartmano niveshyanmratam martyam cha 43/33 yaj
Follow the path as the sun follows and as krsn directed .

Now that krsn is coming on the midnight [ I think rohini nakshatra falls and good time to come for a chitchor ] of 2nd sept 2010 ,so all krsn lovers be awake .

Jai sri krsn , the international makhan chor .

[Mohit sharma]

pranam guruji i m new in this conversation & i dont have much knowledge, but i m keen to know how this universe occurred. who did this , when the first human arrived ,who was the first one ,from where the god came, which god occurred first,from when the yugas started,how do i calculate the nakshtra,in which form the god came,is their is any other life after this one,many purana says that their is 21 avtars of lord vishnu & many says 10 so which one is near to the truth,please send me the answers as soon as possible i have much to know.
AAPKA
mohit