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    20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    INDIA VERSUS AUSTRALIA --- CLASH OF THE TITANS.


    It has been stated in the mahabharatha that it is a matter of pride in being defeated by the best.

    The australians are the 50 overs world champions.

    While we are the 20 overs world champions(which we won recently ), in the 50 overs format they defeated us fair and square in the first India -- Australia match in Kochi in october 2 ,2007 of the seven match series.

    Now we need to understand that they are the 50 overs world champions and what is it that that made them the best.


    From my analysis of their winning traits over the years , it is these I learnt...

    1) A staunch self-confidence, rockhard self-esteem and self-belief that they can win from any position.

    (These indeed are qualities we have to imbibe, if we have to be the best of the best , and defeat the aussies to be the undisputed world champions.)

    2) Tremondous pride in being an australian.

    The australians deeply emphasize patriotism and pride in being an australian which motivates them highly.

    This pride and patriotism ,according to them, helps them to give their best in the field.

    (If the aussies are proud of their country which is less than 1 century old, we have all the more reason to be proud of our country, which is more than 6000 years old, and has produced great men like the Rishis, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Guru Govind Singh,Shankara, Swami Vivekananda , Swami Dayananda Saraswati,Mahatma Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose, Aurobindo,Ramana Maharshi, and many other sages who are revered all around the world.

    We had great enlightened masters, sages,scholars and warriors among our ancestors and are the descendants of an ancient civilization. )



    3) Great emphasis on mental strength and resilience.

    (The Indians need to imbibe perfect mental toughness and should be as tough as nails, if they are to defeat the aussies.

    The Indians indeed have iron nerves by the way they defeated the australians in the 2001 test series, and the pakistanis in the 20 overs world cup final of 2007.

    However we should be super-tough now, and steely nerves in order to defeat the aussies , who are the best in the business.

    If we can defeat the aussies convincingly , we are indeed the best of the best, and can win against anyone then.)

    4) Perfect resilience.

    Even though the australians were tottering at 125 for 4 in the 25th over , they took it from there to make it to 307 .

    Every player takes upon the responsibility to bring the total to the planned score, and lifts his game in accordance with it , by virtue of his mental strength.

    India had too shown the same ,when .V.S.Lakshman
    and Dravid posted 281 and 190 to defeat australia from a losing position , in the 2001 series.

    This should be done by India , consistently , at all times . We should show this phenomenal character that we displayed then at all times.

    Every player should take individually the whole responsibility for the team and should become a match winner for the team when the time beckons.


    Each of the aussie player is a leader , other than the captain.

    While the captain is the formal leader, the others are informal leaders, and everyone of them takes full responsibility for the team on their own shoulders and becomes a match winner when the time comes for them .

    This is the main difference between a champion team and good teams.

    Everyone in the Indian team have to be a leader , and should lead from the front and have perfect character , in order to win and conquer.

    On the conduct of each, depends the fate of all.

    --- Alexander

    5) While the Hindu scriptures emphasize calmness, equanimity of mind , steadiness and mental strength and enjoying what you do, it is the Australians who display these traits more, and hence they are the ones winning.

    Time we brought the wisdom from the sacred scriptures and make it part and parcel of our actions and character.

    6) Perfect physical fitness.

    All the aussie players , though oldies, are well toned players.

    The Indian players are relatively much younger, but guys like ramesh powar with his pot belly leaves a lot to deserve.

    Yuvraj , Sreesanth, utthappa are quite good physically fit guys, and this shows in their work as well.

    A healthy mind in a healthy body.

    Physical fitness should be emphasized heavily in the indian team and brought to its peak always.

    7) Perfect professionalism .

    Devotion to duty and work seen as worship is mentioned in our scriptures. Professionalism is emphasised very much in them.

    Again we see that it is the australians who are following professionalism to the peak, while the Indians are not so.

    Time to change that permanently. The Indians should strive to attain peak professionalism in all their professional aspects.



    Not only the Indian cricket team, but all Indians should assimilate these qualities to succeed in their chosen fields and be world-beaters.

    If we too become world beaters, we can then succeed in making India a developed nation and a superpower by 2020.

    ARISE , AWAKE AND STOP NOT TILL THE GOAL IS REACHED.

    --- SWAMI VIVEKANANDA


    JAI HIND.
    Last edited by SHIVAJI; 04 October 2007 at 11:25 AM.

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    Remember we are playing against the best team in the world.

    If we assimilate their winning traits like a staunch selfbelief and selfconfidence,patriotism , mental toughness and resilience and character, then we too can conquer them.

    In fact if we defeat the world champions , we can defeat anyone else on earth easily.

    This is a glorious opportunity to learn from the best , in order to conquer them.

    As the well known saying goes, " All problems are really opportunities in disguise. "

    Fortune favours the bold.

    --- Virgil.

    Have faith that you are all my brave lads born to do great things. Let not the barks of puppies frighten you, not even the thunderbolts of heaven. But stand up and work.

    --- SWAMI VIVEKANANDA


    All Indians should imbibe the above attitude and success traits , in order to be successful and be world beaters.
    Find ways, not excuses.

    Our good attitude will make us, and our bad attitude will break us.


    Our potential is directly proportional to our determination.


    Good luck resides in good effort.


    --- SWAMI DAYANANDA SARASWATI


    "Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."

    -Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAJI View Post
    INDIA VERSUS AUSTRALIA --- CLASH OF THE TITANS.

    It has been stated in the mahabharatha that it is a matter of pride in being defeated by the best.

    The australians are the 50 overs world champions.

    While we are the 20 overs world champions(which we won recently ), in the 50 overs format they defeated us fair and square in the first India -- Australia match in Kochi in october 2 ,2007 of the seven match series.

    Now we need to understand that they are the 50 overs world champions and what is it that that made them the best.


    From my analysis of their winning traits over the years , it is these I learnt...

    1) A staunch self-confidence, rockhard selfesteem and self-belief that they can win from any position.

    (These indeed are qualities we have to imbibe, if we have to be the best of the best , and defeat the aussies to be the undisputed world champions.)

    2) Tremondous pride in being an australian.

    The australians deeply emphasize patriotism and pride in being an australian which motivates them highly.

    This pride and patriotism ,according to them, helps them to give their best in the field.

    (If the aussies are proud of their country which is less than 1 century old, we have all the more reason to be proud of our country, which is more than 6000 years old, and has produced great men like the Rishis, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Guru Govind Singh,Shankara, Swami Vivekananda , Swami Dayananda Saraswati,Mahatma Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose, Aurobindo,Ramana Maharshi, and many other sages who are revered all around the world.

    We had great enlightened masters, sages,scholars and warriors among our ancestors and are the descendants of an ancient civilization. )



    3) Great emphasis on mental strength and resilience.

    (The Indians need to imbibe perfect mental toughness and should be as tough as nails, if they are to defeat the aussies.

    The Indians indeed have iron nerves by the way they defeated the australians in the 2001 test series, and the pakistanis in the 20 overs world cup final of 2007.

    However we should be super-tough now, and steely nerves in order to defeat the aussies , who are the best in the business.

    If we can defeat the aussies convincingly , we are indeed the best of the best, and can win against anyone then.)

    4) Perfect resilience.

    Even though the australians were tottering at 125 for 4 in the 25th over , they took it from there to make it to 307 .

    Every player takes upon the responsibility to bring the total to the planned score, and lifts his game in accordance with it , by virtue of his mental strength.

    India had too shown the same ,when .V.S.Lakshman
    and Dravid posted 281 and 190 to defeat australia from a losing position , in the 2001 series.

    This should be done by India , consistently , at all times . We should show this phenomenal character that we displayed then at all times.

    Every player should take individually the whole responsibility for the team and should become a match winner for the team when the time beckons.


    Each of the aussie player is a leader , other than the captain.

    While the captain is the formal leader, the others are informal leaders, and everyone of them takes full responsibility for the team on their own shoulders and becomes a match winner when the time comes for them .

    This is the main difference between a champion team and good teams.

    Everyone in the Indian team have to be a leader , and should lead from the front and have perfect character , in order to win and conquer.

    On the conduct of each, depends the fate of all.

    --- Alexander

    5) While the Hindu scriptures emphasize calmness, equanimity of mind , steadiness and mental strength and enjoying what you do, it is the Australians who display these traits more, and hence they are the ones winning.

    Time we brought the wisdom from the sacred scriptures and make it part and parcel of our actions and character.

    6) Perfect physical fitness.
    All the aussie players , though oldies, are well toned players.

    The Indian players are relatively younger, but guys like ramesh powar with his pot belly leaves a lot to deserve.

    Yuvraj , Sreesanth, utthappa are quite good physically fit guys, and this shows in their work as well.

    A healthy mind in a healthy body.

    Physical fitness should be emphasized heavily in the indian team and brought to its peak always.

    7) Perfect professionalism .

    Devotion to duty and work seen as worship is mentioned in our scriptures. Professionalism is emphasised very much in them.

    Again we see that it is the australians who are following professionalism to the peak, while the Indians are not so.

    Time to change that permanently. The Indians should strive to attain peak professionalism in all their professional aspects.



    Not only the Indian cricket team, but all Indians should assimilate these qualities to succeed in their chosen fields and be world-beaters.

    If we too become world beaters, we can then succeed in making India a developed nation and a superpower by 2020.

    ARISE , AWAKE AND STOP NOT TILL THE GOAL IS REACHED.

    --- SWAMI VIVEKANANDA


    JAI HIND.
    It is estimated that at the current growth of 8% p.a, India will be the third largest economy in the world by 2050. Indians will do a lot better by measuring themselves with the Chinese, who are apparently becoming a top nation in sports and also scientific development. Merit is always the criterion in China, while mediocrity often rules the roost in India. R & D in basic sciences is almost non existant in India, how can it become a super power? Technology comes a cropper without sufficient investment in the basic sciences.

    Why is it that India cannot come up with an ingenious IC plant or come up with a global operating system? The price of computers will come down to something like Rs.5000 if this were possible, making Indian goods globally competitive. Why are we still dependent on imported goods? Reason - we dont spent as much on fundamental research( like math & physics) as much we do for technology(like nuclear and space research) or defence!

    Even if India gets richer will it affect the quality of the life of the common man? I am afraid, only the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer. Though they claim that India has progressed a lot towards becoming a developed nation in the last ten years, I find that very little change at the grass root level. Many youth are still unemployed, many people live below the critical poverty line and even stuggle get 2 meals a day. I find that many people are still begging for alms on the streets everyday.

    In addition to what was mentioned above, people should develop love and compassion towards fellow human beings. Without it, nothing will change regardless of whether India becomes a super power or not!!
    He is the one on whom our hope depends. For if Hanuman survives, all we though dead are yet alive. But if his precious life be lost though living still we are but dead: He is our hope and sure relief -Jambavan (Yuddha Kanda. 74). Impossibility=Hanuman

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    It is estimated that at the current growth of 8% p.a, India will be the third largest economy in the world by 2050.

    First of all ,we are growing at the rate of 9.4 % per annum, not 8%, and we are the second fastest growing economy in the world after china.

    In fact, it has been predicted by economists all over the world that we will overtake the americans by 2040.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    Indians will do a lot better by measuring themselves with the Chinese, who are apparently becoming a top nation in sports and also scientific development. Merit is always the criterion in China, while mediocrity often rules the roost in India. R & D in basic sciences is almost non existant in India, how can it become a super power? Technology comes a cropper without sufficient investment in the basic sciences.
    I am talking about with respect to sports. Australia, in spite of having only 20 million people is a major sporting nation, and is the test cricket and 50 overs world champions. They are also a leading power in the olympic games as well,and was 4 th in the last olympic games even though they have a tiny population compared to the other olympic giants.

    My essay is just a critical study of what is it that makes the australians a strong sporting nation.

    I have no intention at all to compare a communist dictatorship like china with a vibrant democracy like India.

    Their civil society is repressed as is shown by the killing of 3000 students in 1989 in the tiananmen square massacre for their pro-democracy and freedom demonstrations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm...otests_of_1989

    They are also known for their diabolical invasion of tibet, and destruction of tibetan culture and heritage and persecution of tibetans.

    They also adopt a bullying attitude towards their neighbours.

    I would anyday be in India , rather than in China.

    I appreciate your view points .

    But it is also a fact that india is going great guns in science and technology as well.

    India is among the four nations in the world to build an indigenous supercomputer, param, which for a time period, was the fastest in the world.

    We are among the five nations in the world that has send indigenous sattelites to space with our own indigenous rockets.

    And recently we acquired the capability to retrieve our sattelites from space as well, making us among a few nations to possess this ability.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_...h_Organisation

    We also possess formidable ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons serving as a deterrent against the likes of China and other hegemonistic powers.




    What India needs is patriotic , positive thinking visionaries like Vikram Sarabhai , A.P.j.Abdul kalam, Arindam Chaudhari ( Indian management expert who revolutionised the dynamics and mechanics of Indian management ) in all fields , so as to become world leaders and trend setters in these fields.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post

    Even if India gets richer will it affect the quality of the life of the common man? I am afraid, only the rich becomes richer and the poor becomes poorer. Though they claim that India has progressed a lot towards becoming a developed nation in the last ten years, I find that very little change at the grass root level. Many youth are still unemployed, many people live below the critical poverty line and even stuggle get 2 meals a day. I find that many people are still begging for alms on the streets everyday.
    Statistics have indeed shown that Indias poverty , which is a legacy of the British rule in India , has reduced significantly after the economic reforms of 1991.

    The sooner we get rid of socialism and communism in bengal and kerala and tripura , the better.

    Even the chinese are more capitalistic than the americans. Yet these 'comrades' keep on harping the outdated marxian economics.

    Thankfully , with awareness and education being disseminated in all nooks and corners of India, all these outdated concepts will meet with their natural death.

    I definetely do not agree with your views,and I find that many indeed have obtained employment and many povertystricken people have become rich and prosperous.

    I am sure that if we continue in this manner and with this economic growth rate for 15 years at least, poverty will indeed become non-existent.

    The BPO, KPO, EPO, call centre, IT , pharmaceutical, biotechnology, manufacturing sectors are reaping billions of dollars every year.

    And this is only going to increase.

    Experts have predicted that the IT industry in itself will reap 100 billion dollars by 2010 onwards.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    In addition to what was mentioned above, people should develop love and compassion towards fellow human beings. Without it, nothing will change regardless of whether India becomes a super power or not!!

    There are several spiritual organisations like the Art of Living, Ramakrishna mission, arya samaj, and other organisations that are promoting value systems and empathy among the public and opening up charitable institutions like hospitals, schools , colleges, orphanages , libraries, spiritual centres for the public and rendering good service to them.

    And their activities are increasing as well.

    Instead of moaning pessimistically and impotently about India's relative lack of development with respect to dictatorial china, you should try to use your manhood and potency and youth (if you are young ) to help India rise up and become a superpower in every aspect , by 2020.

    This is the goal and vision in front of us.



    What our country wants today are muscles of iron and nerves of steel, gigantic wills which nothing can resist, which can penetrate into the mysteries and secrets of the universe and accomplish their purpose in any fashion , even if it means going to the bottom of the ocean and meeting death face to face.

    ------ SWAMI VIVEKANANDA
    Find ways, not excuses.

    Our good attitude will make us, and our bad attitude will break us.


    Our potential is directly proportional to our determination.


    Good luck resides in good effort.


    --- SWAMI DAYANANDA SARASWATI


    "Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."

    -Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    "He is the one on whom our hope depends. For if Hanuman survives, all we though dead are yet alive. But if his precious life be lost though living still we are but dead: He is our hope and sure relief -Jambavan (Yuddha Kanda. 74). Impossibility=Hanuman "


    This signature of yours is interesting.

    It should be noted that in this stage of the ramayana, when Hanuman and the vanara sena , were searching for Sita, Hanuman lacked self-confidence and hope due to a curse , and was hence pessimistic and in despair.

    It was Jambavan, who played the role of an inspirational leader and boosted up Hanumans morale, selfconfidence and selfesteem by pointing out to him his strengths, positive qualities and achievements.

    This boosted up Hanuman and destroyed his lethargy, despair and psychological impotence, and set him roaring like a lion with faith in himself, and this newfound self belief found him successfully accomplishing his mission of locating Sita and bringing her the message of Rama, and at the same time sabotaging Lanka in the process , and coming back home to Rama with good tidings successfully.

    JAI MAHAVEER HANUMAN.

    Each one of us has to be a Mahaveera and a Hanuman, in order to effect the regeneration of our ancient motherland India, and to accomplish our mission of making India a superpower by 2020.
    Find ways, not excuses.

    Our good attitude will make us, and our bad attitude will break us.


    Our potential is directly proportional to our determination.


    Good luck resides in good effort.


    --- SWAMI DAYANANDA SARASWATI


    "Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."

    -Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    Namaste,

    Hope your words can come true!


    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAJI View Post
    First of all ,we are growing at the rate of 9.4 % per annum, not 8%, and we are the second fastest growing economy in the world after china.

    In fact, it has been predicted by economists all over the world that we will overtake the americans by 2040.
    How could the 9.4% growth in 2006-07 be taken as a general trend? I am referring to the 8% over the last five years, and the expected long term growth rate.

    Americas are on the decline as evident from the constant drop in the value of the dollar. But note that India is still low on per capita income ( even though GDP is high) due to its high population, and it is a really long way before it can be amongst the most developed nations.

    I am talking about with respect to sports. Australia, in spite of having only 20 million people is a major sporting nation, and is the test cricket and 50 overs world champions. They are also a leading power in the olympic games as well,and was 4 th in the last olympic games even though they have a tiny population compared to the other olympic giants.
    My impression is that population and achievements have really nothing in common. Being less densely populated than India, Australia enjoys a much better economic situation where sports professionals can concentrate on their professions without financial worries. That is not true in India, where turning a pro involves a career risk and not many willingly take that risk.


    I have no intention at all to compare a communist dictatorship like china with a vibrant democracy like India.

    Their civil society is repressed as is shown by the killing of 3000 students in 1989 in the tiananmen square massacre for their pro-democracy and freedom demonstrations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm...otests_of_1989

    They are also known for their diabolical invasion of tibet, and destruction of tibetan culture and heritage and persecution of tibetans.

    They also adopt a bullying attitude towards their neighbours.

    I would anyday be in India , rather than in China.
    I have compared with China only in terms of productivity, and not in terms of politics. Where does India compare with China in terms of exports? What exactly does China have that we do not have?



    India is among the four nations in the world to build an indigenous supercomputer, param, which for a time period, was the fastest in the world.
    How does a super computer help the masses? We should instead concentrate on the fundamentals of processor manufacture. A fully home grown computer would cost only a fourth of the imported technology.




    Statistics have indeed shown that Indias poverty , which is a legacy of the British rule in India , has reduced significantly after the economic reforms of 1991.

    The sooner we get rid of socialism and communism in bengal and kerala and tripura , the better.

    Even the chinese are more capitalistic than the americans. Yet these 'comrades' keep on harping the outdated marxian economics.

    Thankfully , with awareness and education being disseminated in all nooks and corners of India, all these outdated concepts will meet with their natural death.

    I definetely do not agree with your views,and I find that many indeed have obtained employment and many povertystricken people have become rich and prosperous.
    India's Per capita income is only around $800, or approx Rs.32,000 per annum. I do not understand how you conclude that "many poverty stricken people have become rich and prosperous." And the large foreign exchange is going into whose pockets? The already rich IT guys! The poor remains poor.


    I am sure that if we continue in this manner and with this economic growth rate for 15 years at least, poverty will indeed become non-existent.
    15 years is too small a time. At 8% growth if maintainable, we will need a full 100 years to reduce proverty in India.



    The BPO, KPO, EPO, call centre, IT , pharmaceutical, biotechnology, manufacturing sectors are reaping billions of dollars every year.
    You sure this money is just not making the already rich richer?

    Instead of moaning pessimistically and impotently about India's relative lack of development with respect to dictatorial china, you should try to use your manhood and potency and youth (if you are young ) to help India rise up and become a superpower in every aspect , by 2020.
    Great optimism. The goal should be realistic too. We have been looted by muslims and europeans for over 1000 years, and it will take a while to restore normalcy. Now we should not allow ouselves to be looted from within. ( in the form of internal corruption).

    Yeah, I wish your words could come true! Perhaps someday it will.
    He is the one on whom our hope depends. For if Hanuman survives, all we though dead are yet alive. But if his precious life be lost though living still we are but dead: He is our hope and sure relief -Jambavan (Yuddha Kanda. 74). Impossibility=Hanuman

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    Re: 20 over world champions versus 50 over world champions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    Namaste,

    Hope your words can come true!.

    Men who for truth and honor's sake
    Stand fast and suffer long.
    Brave men who work while others sleep,
    Who dare while others fly...
    They build a nation's pillars deep
    And lift them to the sky.
    |

    ---- RALPH WALDO EMERSON

    If there are men of selfbelief, determination,perseverance ,resilience and character , then India will arise again and become a superpower again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post

    How could the 9.4% growth in 2006-07 be taken as a general trend? I am referring to the 8% over the last five years, and the expected long term growth rate.
    The 8% rate in itself is very good. This time it was 9.4 % . Next year it can become more than 10 %.

    Think positively and back it with good intelligent work and perseverance and you can wrought miracles.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    Americas are on the decline as evident from the constant drop in the value of the dollar. But note that India is still low on per capita income ( even though GDP is high) due to its high population, and it is a really long way before it can be amongst the most developed nations..
    Then find ways to overcome it .


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    My impression is that population and achievements have really nothing in common. Being less densely populated than India, Australia enjoys a much better economic situation where sports professionals can concentrate on their professions without financial worries. That is not true in India, where turning a pro involves a career risk and not many willingly take that risk.
    .
    Then how on earth did Vishwanathan Anand become the world chess champion in 2000 and now again in 2007.

    He is the only non-russian and non-american ( bobby fischer ) to become the world chess champion .

    He also did it without any coaches in his youth , good training or sponsors or material resources which all his foreign rivals had in plenty.

    And yet he defeated all of them and became the world champion.

    Kasparov ,the greatest chess player of all time,considered Anand to be his greatest rival.

    He once stated ,"Imagine if Anand was born in Russia. How much more dangerous he would have become. "

    And we have also created the world junior chess champion in harikrishna and the world junior female chess champion in koneru humpy and she is now rated number 2 in world rankings.

    Even without good resources , training or coaches they have won the prestigious world chess championships.

    This is mainly because of the genetic potential in them that comes from an ancient civilization.

    If we can rouse the morale and selfconfidence of the Indians , particularly the youth , and inculcate in them good work ethics and good education , a positive mental attitude, tenacity, goals and a vision, they will do wonders.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    I have compared with China only in terms of productivity, and not in terms of politics. Where does India compare with China in terms of exports? What exactly does China have that we do not have? .
    China is a totalitarian nation, a dictatorship. Ours is a democracy.

    If a man forces you with a gun to work hard , you will work hard and become productive.

    However it can be a disaster in the long run, as has happened in the soviet union.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    How does a super computer help the masses? We should instead concentrate on the fundamentals of processor manufacture. A fully home grown computer would cost only a fourth of the imported technology.

    .
    A supercomputer is of great help to research and science centres and developing better technology.

    You are really a fool to say that supercomputers cannot help the masses.

    Supercomputers can speed up things in research centres and bring about innovative technology which can be used for helping the masses and other sectors and dimensions as well and accelerate development.

    We have sold the param supercomputers to other nations as well, generating valuable foreign exchange in the process.




    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post

    India's Per capita income is only around $800, or approx Rs.32,000 per annum. I do not understand how you conclude that "many poverty stricken people have become rich and prosperous." And the large foreign exchange is going into whose pockets? The already rich IT guys! The poor remains poor.
    You are very foolish. Narayan Murthy ,the founder of infosys, first created the office for infosys by pawning his wifes jewellery , as he lacked resources and was poverty stricken.

    Now infosys is a world class software company and murthy is a billionaire as well,and created many jobs for young software engineers and ushered in wealth and prosperity.

    Same with other entrepreneurs and companies as well. Many povertystricken people have become stinking rich.

    And a software engineer employed will result in extra income for a grocer, barber, washerman, book store owner, internet cafe owner and others.


    A wealthy middle class will result in a wealthier lower class ,and a wealthy upper class will result in a wealthier middle class.

    Only an idiot will refuse to see the positive difference entrepreneurship has made to the Indian economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    15 years is too small a time. At 8% growth if maintainable, we will need a full 100 years to reduce proverty in India..

    15 years is enough . A full 100 years is good for impotent people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    You sure this money is just not making the already rich richer?.
    The wealth generated is making the rich richer and the poor richer as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    Great optimism. The goal should be realistic too. We have been looted by muslims and europeans for over 1000 years, and it will take a while to restore normalcy. Now we should not allow ouselves to be looted from within. ( in the form of internal corruption). .

    The pessimist has never won a battle.

    And indeed the goal is realistic.

    We have been under islamic and british imperialism because of our closemindedness and negativism.

    Get rid of a negative mental attitude and replace it with a positive mental attitude ,and we have enough innate resources to conquer the world.

    We must will things to happen.

    This is the attitude that our ancestors the Rishis, Krishna, Buddha, Chanakya, Samudragupta, Vikramaditya, Guru Govind Singh, Shivaji , Ranjit Singh , Ashoka , Swami Dayananda Saraswati , Subhash Chandra Bose, Mahatma Gandhi, Sardar VAllabhbhai patel had ,and we should have the same attitude as well.



    Quote Originally Posted by Madhavan View Post
    Yeah, I wish your words could come true! Perhaps someday it will.
    If there are heroes and achievers, it will indeed come true.


    Fortune favours the bold.

    --- Virgil.


    Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst, a spark that creates extraordinary results.

    --- ANON.
    Last edited by SHIVAJI; 07 October 2007 at 11:43 AM.
    Find ways, not excuses.

    Our good attitude will make us, and our bad attitude will break us.


    Our potential is directly proportional to our determination.


    Good luck resides in good effort.


    --- SWAMI DAYANANDA SARASWATI


    "Together may we be protected. Together may we be profited. Together may we do a hero's work. May we learn intelligently. May we never hate one another."

    -Brihadaranyaka & Taittiriya Upanishads

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