I am always on the wrong side with the moderators, now I have both moderators replying to me - God save Ramkish reputation
Shri Satay, every organisation sells itself as experts that know the truth. When forming an organisation this is an inevitable problem. Many people who visit Kanchi Kamakoti peetam said this. Many people who visit Srirangam Jeer said this. There were serious allegations on Puttabarthi Saibaba, Kalki Ashram and Mel maruvatthur peetam. I have a set of paper cuttings that gives allegations on Hindu Organisations as such.Originally Posted by satay
The present case is not ISKCON in real not their vaishnavism in real but expectations of every individual member of this forum from ISKCON. When I visit to a place I go there with an expectation, when it is not met, I agree I will be upset. Now I have two choices 1. Try to know that the organisation is really; 2. If it not matches with me I should not go there
If one does not likes ISKCON stop visiting, simple as that
Now, I lack competence to educate a person of calibre like Satay or BYS or any other person, but I prefer to remind you what you know but verily forgotten.
Vaishnavism is verily spun around service orientation. This is sharp contrast with Advaiti philosophy where one feels he is god, where in in vaishnavism one feels he is a slave of lord and his servants. Let me give you an analogy
One advaitin visited a temple and wrote on the wall - SOHAM (I am him); a vaishnavite came and saw, felt it is wrong, instead of erasing he simply added "Daa" to it, now it read - DAASOHAM (I am his servant), advaitin returned back and saw his vaakhya got spoiled, again instead of erasing he simply added "SA" to it, now it read - SADAASOHAM (I am eternally him), Vaishnavite returned, saw and added another "Daa" to it, now it read - DAASA DAASOHAM (I am the servant of his servants)
Both the people in this are intelligent people but verily displayed their tolerance and this also talks about vaishnav faith. Vaishnav always feels his is a slave of the lord and a servant of lord's servant. Hence, before entering ISKCON or any other vaishnav organisation, let us be prepared to do service and not to expect any service
ISKCON is good in making people to serve - Whom do you serve, if not a great person but we are serving a human, we are of service to nature, we are serving the temple. They make it blunt and ask one to do service, for that is how a vaishnav starts his quest.
Many of us, including me, feel that having finished graduation, simply want to command respect in ISKCON kind of organisation, wherein, they do not know me, they do not know what is my knowledge, what I am capable of, so they start from the basics. Unlike schooling, I cannot carry a certificate saying I HAVE FINISHED BASIC SERVICING and force ISKCON to continue with other levels. My mastery in patanjali Yoga or Narada Bhakti sutra is of no consideration in the very begining. Either I have prove myself to them or wait for the time.
While advocating tolerance to all, we verily forget to show it in our practise by this kind of threads
Shri Satayji, can I request you not to use this word. Now you too join the group which assumes something of hinduism is wrong and something is correct. If ISKCON is politically charged, I want to know what you say is correct and orginal teachings. Does the view you have, should necessarily be correct for other vaishnavs or other hindus in common.How are the westerners supposed to know that the version of the truth an organization is selling is a twisted one (i am not referring to iskcon necessarilary) when the westerners have not had any contact with the original teachings? Forget westerners most of the pseudo hindus even don't have any idea of the original teachings and just know some politically charged translations.
My idea is not only buyers beware but also, let us not ask for household provisions in a medical shop.By I do agree with your "buyers beware" message. That doesn't mean that the seller that sells the junk is right in doing so.
Furthermore, if Shri Satayji feels ISKCON is selling junk then tackle it in proper way. Call Shri Prabhupada for a debate and prove it to him that he is selling junk
On the other hand, say, If I used the similar phrase, selling junk, to a tantric practitioner or advaitin - sringeri peetam, what will be your first response as a moderator, same hold good for you being a member.
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