I, for one, (and I've noticed others who are avoiding all posts in such discussions) am sick of the petty bickering and name-calling. Its a waste of my time to read all this stuff over and over. I came here to learn, to share, to grow, etc. and I have, I believe. If civility cannot occur here, then just where can it occur? No wonder the people of vastly different beliefs can't get along, when like minded individuals can't. Aum Namasivaya