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    Kundalini

    Hari Om
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    Namaste,
    I am in hopes that at some point we can have a conversation on Kundalini , its benefits, and its stimulation.

    I thought to post this site to begin... I am not the expert on this matter, but hope those that have this as a practice can step forward and assist with insights.

    http://omnamo.narod.ru/yogakundalini.html

    Chapt 1.37-38
    This frees one from diseases of fire in (or inflammation of) the throat, increases the gastric fire within, enables one to know the Kundalini, produces purity removing sins, gives happiness and pleasure and destroys phlegm which is the bolt (or obstacle) to the door at the mouth of Brahma-Nadi (viz., Susumna).


    pranams
    Last edited by yajvan; 10 November 2007 at 01:27 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Kundalini

    Hi Yajvan and All,

    This has been an interesting subject for me in the last 2 or so years...

    I don't practice "kundalini yoga " as such, yoga practices practiced with the intent of arousing Kundalini... but I have , in the last 14 years been practising asana and pranayam and a lot of sitting dharana (not so much sitting lately)...

    A bit over 2 years ago while I was sitting, the body started to move back and forth, the head nodding back and forth, quite obviously.... looks quite funny!

    In a retreat , I asked the teacher what it was (he was Zen monk) and he said the body will tell me. He said he had seen other monks with this in the past.

    When sitting still , it still happens...

    I came to the conclusion that this was Kundalini, that it is no big deal, and to let it do it's thing.... The body is not who I am nor is prana nor Kundalini...

    I don't talk to many people about this because this society (here in Australia) is more focussed on material gain, in general, and the knowledge of matters such as this is not so great. I will read the link you posted though...

    Thank-you...

    namaskar,
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    Go to That...


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    Re: Kundalini

    Namaste...

    In the version of the Yoga Kundalini Upanishad linked to

    http://omnamo.narod.ru/yogakundalini.html


    21-22(a). This which tends to the accomplishment of all Yogas, should be learnt through the initiation of a Guru. He who recites this twelve times every day, will not get even in sleep that Maya (illusion) which is born in his body and which is the source of all vicious deeds.
    22(b)-23. He who recites this five lakhs of times with very great care - to him the science of Khechari will reveal itself. All obstacles vanish and the Devas are pleased.

    What does "he who recites this..." refer to ?
    What is the Khechari mudra?

    It is explained here...

    http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/...ishad/id/23906

    27. The seven syllables HRIM, BHAM, SAM, PAM, PHAM, SAM and KSHAM constitute the Khechari Mantra.



    Still reading...



    Hari Om,

    Soul






    From where does the "I' thought come...
    Go to That...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mahahradanatha in shakti sadhana
    I like to present to this group some thoughts about kundalini. These
    should only give a general idea about kundalini because some things
    are to difficult and esoteric to be represented completely in a
    posting. I apologize for that. I also apologize for errors if they
    crept without my knowledge.

    This i hope will give those interested some insight in a lesser known
    perspective, and show a broader meaning of the Kundalini experience
    existing beyond the idea of a energy current only (like electricty)
    which is well known to most but which is only one aspect of kundalini
    (called more properly Pranashakti if understood as a body force)

    The term kundalini awakening is misleading, it is often misunderstood
    as if the sleeping kundalini is not active and has to be awakened to
    be experienced at all.

    This is not so: to the contrary all that we experience is caused by
    Kundalini, in fact our world is created by Kundalini.

    Kundalini is called sleeping only because this description is from a
    higher more enlightened viewpoint. Our normal way of perception of
    our life and the world around us and ourself appear as sleep and a
    poisonend state to a enlightened Yogi.
    Because the Kundalini has caused our "sleep" she is called sleeping.

    The sleeping Kundalini is the creative Force of the Universe She is
    causing our universe to appear by actively DELUDING our mind and
    senses thereby creating our conception of reality and our universe.

    Creation is always the Limitation of the Boundless. That is why she
    is the limiting factor (Space Time Necessity etc)

    (One form of Kundalini called Para Kundalini created our Universe
    another form of her created the mind complex she is called Chit
    Kundalini and another Form is found in our body called Prana
    Kundalini. In the awakening process each of these must be considered
    alone and together)

    She is therefore also the cause of the unawakened unenlightened
    (limited ) consciousness.(appearing as the World. She is therefore
    Jagadamba)

    There are countless other shaktis who delude (limit) our
    consciousness which arose during the creation. (In Laya Yoga some are
    represented in the Chakras in Sri Vidya some are represented in the
    avaranas of the Yantra, which is a representeation of our body and
    the growth of a child in the womb also) Kundalini is the embodiment
    of all deluding powerful shaktis.

    Raising the Kundalini means to become oneself awake and aware of the
    process of the dissolving of her shaktis ie. The delusion she had
    caused by spreading outward as the universe and a human being..

    The normal activity of kundalini devi is the process of creation
    (sristhi) she is causing the delusion of duality and the human
    being under the influence of the devi in the crative process is
    entangled in worldy affairs. A human being under the influence of
    the sleeping kundalini follows the pravritti marga thenormal
    outgoing current of life the senses are bound and deluded by the the
    sense impressions and the mind is outwardly orientated. This
    perfectly in Harmony with the cosmic and human order and exemplified
    by the 32worldly gains a human being is allowed to achieve called
    artha kama within the boundary of dharma. The awakeneing of kundalini
    is concerned with the other current called Nivritti Marga the return
    to the cosmic source represented by the fourth pillar Moksha=
    Enlightment.

    When in the consciousness of a human being the will is born to be
    free from the worldy state and he notices his state of slavery and
    bondage of the worldy enjoyments (artha and kama) and wants to escape
    another current of energy is initiated thats why it is called the
    backward current nivritti marga or urdhva marg. (sthithi= withdrawal)
    (there are also 2 modes of Avarana worship in sri vidya one of
    withdrawal and one of creation sthiti /sristhi. The one is for
    worldly gains (mostly practised by samaya marga) the other for moksha.

    This turning point and the inward turning is a very natural flow of
    life like the in and outbreath, or the heartbeat. After outward
    projection and sense entangelment follows the inward movement and
    disentanglement and return to the source.
    This is the only healthy approach.

    Because of this awakening of the mind of the human being the sleeping
    poisonend state of the outward turnend world creating kundalini
    changes and she also begins to turn inward and she involutes that
    means she is destroying the world of delusion
    she once created.

    In Laya Yoga this dissolution is achieved by a series of Meditations
    on the Chakras.
    In Srividya by a similar series of Meditation based on the Sri yantra.

    Also the Bhutashuddhi practise found in many Traditions is a practice
    concernend with the Laya of the Bhutas and Kundalini.

    Similiarly the Bandhas and Kriyas of Ha tha Yoga dissolve the
    created body shaktis and awaken Prana Kundalini. (or Pranashakti)

    The Dhyana of Ishta Devata in the Chakras and Adharas is used as a
    important Laya process and as a means of inward turning also.

    All these methods interact and are valid means

    The movement of the sleeping poisonend deluded kundalini outwards
    toward worldly enjoyment and illusion is also called the dakshina
    marga (the way of creating and maintaining worlds for enjoyment)
    The way of the Kundalini which is turned inward towards realisation
    of the self and awake awareness) which also means reversing the
    energy (prana) of the sense organs) is called vama marga or left
    turning process. The common interpretations of
    vama marga and dakshina marga are not touched by this it is simply
    another possible interpretation in the context of Kundalini Yoga.

    The objective world around us our idea about it (the impression in
    our mind and our mind itself gradually vanish and are dissolved.

    Before a human being can follow this Path of Laya-Yoga which means
    translated Yoga of dissolution some qualities have to be present in
    his mind stream at the moment he enters the upward flowing current.
    One main Quality is the disgust for Samsara the other is the wish or
    will to be awake aware or achieve enlightment.
    Disgust for samsara is an absolute necessary state of mind for the
    kundalini process changing from sristhi to sththi, you must have
    realised the transitory nature of the world of the sense impression
    and the futility of attachments to worldly ideas and goods.
    Because the creation and maintenance of the universe for enjoyment is
    the realm of the sleeping kundalini you cannot be attached to it and
    leave it for the upward journey at the same time.
    After the rise and downward movement of Kundalini you may return to
    sense enjoyment and even use it as a means and practice but on a
    refined level, but you must disattach completly first. (Even from
    your Attachment to your body for achievement of space travel –called
    khechari mudra)

    The sleeping Kundalini is thought to reside in the muladhara chakra
    coiled 3 and a half times around a Linga

    The first coil represents the knower in bondage (pashu): Yourself.
    Kundalini is asleep because of the attachment to the idea of
    yourself. This idea of yourself does most oft not coincide with what
    others think of you- usually you feel that you are much better person
    then the others or you feel inferior. Also most often it is
    influenced by your worldly achievements by monetary or scholarly
    achievements or it is influenced by outward appearance.

    To awake kundalini you have to destroy the erroneus idea you have
    of yourself completely. Only then the natural state of mind can shine
    forth (called "sahaja" in Yoga)

    The second coil or bondage is the point of contact between the self
    and the outer world. The means of knowledge. This contact functions
    through the activity of your sense organs. Here in the unenlightened
    state the flow is outwards toward the enjoyment and attachment to the
    sense impressions. This causes the second coil of the sleeping
    kundalini.

    Awakened Kundalini shines forth as a light (jyothir) in the sense
    organs and the five pranas and can be awakened by turning mind and
    sense impression inward.

    The third coil is representing the outer world known to you by the
    activity of the five sense organs. This is called the thing to be
    known (Object of Knowledge) and your attachment to the pleasing sense
    impressions and your repulsion for the unpleasing keeps kundalini
    asleep here
    Only with no attachment (love or desire) or repulsion (hate-
    aggression) to any sense impression kundalini can awake..
    These three functions are also be called "the Measurer" the measuring
    stick" and the "Thing to be measured". (Also known and represented
    as the three lights: Sun Moon and Fire these are most intimately
    connected with some methods of Kundalini Meditations)

    Kundalini is a snake that can be awakened by hitting it with Stick
    but this is a secret stick everybody has it but only a few know how
    to wield it the cause of both pain and pleasure (your measuring
    stick = your sense organs and impressions)
    This seemed the most rational viewpoint on the topic to me. Personally, it makes no sense to talk about something which I have not experienced. However Kundalini Jagaran is said to be the most powerful method to break the 3 knots of ignorance.
    What is Here, is Elsewhere. What is not Here, is Nowhere.

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    Re: Kundalini

    Thanks sm78.. I like this teaching

    Hari Om,
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    Namaste
    I was surprised to find a posting i did on another mailing list posted in another context and another forum.

    Please let me correct some errors of that old posting:

    The Polarities in the movement of Kundalini do not correspond to sristhi and sthiti but the Polarities are sristhi and samhara (Laya), meaning evolution and involution, creation and dissolution. the stable interim state of being, sthithi is the result of those 2.

    That a person following the samaya marga is always looking only to achive worldy gains was a sinister joke suited to that Mailing List.

    By coincidence i was just discussing Kundalini before i saw that old posting of mine here in Hindu Dharma Forum. So i guess this belongs here and ill add a few words culled form that conversation.

    Kundalini is often understood as if she is some energy or force of the human that can be tapped by some mental or physical exercises.
    That way i belive she cannot be properly understood.
    First of all she is a devi no matter whether she is thought to be inside the body or not.

    So there must be devotion to the Devi. Trying to awaken Kundalini without being a shakta or shaiva, alone by exercise of Pranayama or Bandhas or even altogether as an outsider to Hindu Dharma will cause a different experience, with the same Name tag put on it only.

    Yoga and Tantra instead or side by side to outside Puja directed to a Murti and so on, very often prescribes focussing on the devas and devis inside the subtle body. Kundalini Yoga also is internalised worship.

    Without the Belief in and the devotion to the transforming power of the divine Lady called Kubjika or Kundalini, Kundalini Yoga looses much of its beauty.

    MahaHradanath

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    Quote Originally Posted by MahaHrada View Post
    Namaste
    Please let me correct some errors of that old posting:

    The Polarities in the movement of Kundalini do not correspond to sristhi and sthiti but the Polarities are sristhi and samhara (Laya), meaning evolution and involution, creation and dissolution. the stable interim state of being, sthithi is the result of those 2.

    That a person following the samaya marga is always looking only to achive worldy gains was a sinister joke suited to that Mailing List.
    Thanks for correcting the 2 points, though one scarcely notices them due to the merit of the remaining post.

    Quote Originally Posted by MahaHrada View Post
    By coincidence i was just discussing Kundalini before i saw that old posting of mine here in Hindu Dharma Forum. So i guess this belongs here and ill add a few words culled form that conversation.
    I took the liberty of posting this from Shakti Sadhana group and hoping you didn't mind. We had a bit of mail exchange during a period when you left the group (i don't know if u wud remember me ... Saikat/Singhi Kaya)
    What is Here, is Elsewhere. What is not Here, is Nowhere.

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    Re: Kundalini

    Hi Singhi Kaya

    Yes i remember you, we had some conversation just at the time when i was being banned from the SS List.

    Please feel free to quote from my old Postings, you are right i dont mind.

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    Gopi Krishna has written several books that recount many of his wonderful experiences with Kundalini. (and there are also some that speak of his dangerous, misdirected episodes)

    Kundalini yoga classes can be found in the yellow pages of the phone book, but I imagine only one in thousand (or fewer) of such listings are really qualified to teach it, or have mastery of same...and although I'm not qualified to make such a judgement, I basically believe that is extremely rare to find a fully enlightened and empowered Master of such.

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    Sm78,

    Thank you for the post you shared!

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