Moksha - Chiranjeevi - Difference

[Arvind Sivaraman]

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste.

May I know, what is the difference between Moksha and Chiranjeevi?
Any thoughts are welcome.

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Arvind,

moksha is release from worldly existence or from transmigration, and cirajIvikA is a long life.

A cirajIvin is long lived or existing from long ago, certainly not exempt from worldly existence, but perhaps released from death or from subsequent rebirth, and thus also a mokshin.

moksha indicates freedom from birth, while cirajIva indicates freedom from death; although a mokshin and a cirajIvin may be indistinguishable.

[yajvan]

Namaste Arvind,
moksha is release from worldly existence or from transmigration, and cirajIvikA is a long life.

A cirajIvin is long lived or existing from long ago, certainly not exempt from worldly existence, but perhaps released from death or from subsequent rebirth, and thus also a mokshin.

moksha indicates freedom from birth, while cirajIva indicates freedom from death; although a mokshin and a cirajIvin may be indistinguishable.

Namaste
A complimentry way one may look at this moksha मोक्ष the liberation or release from rebirth cycle can be viewed in the following way: Moha is 'to delude' + kshaya or a 'reduction' or 'astringent' = moksha is the extinction of delusion. It is though the extinction of delusion that liberation occurs.

cirajIvikA as sarabhanga outlines is lasting a long time. This cira चिर is lasting along time , existing from ancient times. And we know jiva जीव is the individual living , existing , being alive.

So a question one can ask how are these related? What is the longest time one can think of? Eternity. and what is the longest life? Immortality.

The 'delusion' some have is that Immortality is living the longest life in the body - where perhaps it is attaining moksha and attaining Being, for eternity.


...just a thought.


pranams,

[atanu]

Moreover,

Moksha indicates ignorance and its removal. Chiranjeevi, on the other hand, in true sense, could never be under the influence of ignorance.



Om

[Arvind Sivaraman]

Namaste
A complimentry way one may look at this moksha मोक्ष the liberation or release from rebirth cycle can be viewed in the following way: Moha is 'to delude' + kshaya or a 'reduction' or 'astringent' = moksha is the extinction of delusion. It is though the extinction of delusion that liberation occurs.

cirajIvikA as sarabhanga outlines is lasting a long time. This cira चिर is lasting along time , existing from ancient times. And we know jiva जीव is the individual living , existing , being alive.

So a question one can ask how are these related? What is the longest time one can think of? Eternity. and what is the longest life? Immortality.

The 'delusion' some have is that Immortality is living the longest life in the body - where perhaps it is attaining moksha and attaining Being, for eternity.


...just a thought.


pranams,

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste Sarabhanga and Yajvan,
1)What would be the means of attaining Moksha?
2)What would be the means of attainig Chiranjeevi?
3)Why is it mentioned in the Srimad Bhagawatham that Gajendra gets Moksha and why not become a Chiranjeevi?(As in the case of Hanuman.)
4)On what basis is it arrived that the below mentioned are Chiranjeevis.

The List of Chiranjeevis

• Ashwatama -- son of teacher Drona
• Bali
• Vyasa -- the sage who wrote the Mahabharat epic
• Hanuman -- the Monkey faced son of Wind God Vayu
• Vibhishana -- the brother of Ravana and an embassodor of Lord Ramachandra
• Kripacharya -- the Brahmin of Hastinapur who taught the Pandavas and the Kauravas
• Parashurama -- an avatar of Lord Vishnu, Rama with an axe

[saidevo]

The List of Chiranjeevis

• Ashwatama -- son of teacher Drona
• Bali
• Vyasa -- the sage who wrote the Mahabharat epic
• Hanuman -- the Monkey faced son of Wind God Vayu
• Vibhishana -- the brother of Ravana and an embassodor of Lord Ramachandra
• Kripacharya -- the Brahmin of Hastinapur who taught the Pandavas and the Kauravas
• Parashurama -- an avatar of Lord Vishnu, Rama with an axe

You have omitted to mention Markendaya.

[sarabhanga]

The perfect cirajIvin is immortal and, since the lower three worlds do not survive dissolution, the cirajIvin (who cannot die) dwells in the turIya realm of maharloka (the middle region), which is inhabited by the saptaRSi.

The mokshin has transcended rebirth, ascending to the seventh heaven of satyaloka (the abode of truth), from which place there is no return.

And ciraMjIva may be attained by mImAMsA, vaisheSika, and sAMkhya; while moksha may be attained by vedAnta, nyAya, and yoga.

[atanu]

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste Sarabhanga and Yajvan,
1)What would be the means of attaining Moksha?
2)What would be the means of attainig Chiranjeevi?
3)Why is it mentioned in the Srimad Bhagawatham that Gajendra gets Moksha and why not become a Chiranjeevi?(As in the case of Hanuman.)
4)On what basis is it arrived that the below mentioned are Chiranjeevis.

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Namaskar Arvind,

Though the query is not directed at me, I thought I would enter a second time, un-invited. Sorry for that.

Chiranjeevi does mean a long living being (as all have pointed out). But the crux is that they are directly from the Lord (or from rishis) for a specific purpose and for a specific period -- generally to take part in the drama (with Lord) as some character -- heroic or evil, for the welfare of all.

On the other hand, all beings are eventually entitled to Moksha. And some may act as Chiranjeevi's thereafter.

Did Hanuman attain Moksha or was born a Chiranjeevi? Who is Shirdi Sai? a Chiranjeevi or a Mokshin or Lord?

Om

[Arvind Sivaraman]

Namaskar Arvind,

Though the query is not directed at me, I thought I would enter a second time, un-invited. Sorry for that.

Chiranjeevi does mean a long living being (as all have pointed out). But the crux is that they are directly from the Lord (or from rishis) for a specific purpose and for a specific period -- generally to take part in the drama (with Lord) as some character -- heroic or evil, for the welfare of all.

On the other hand, all beings are eventually entitled to Moksha. And some may act as Chiranjeevi's thereafter.

Did Hanuman attain Moksha or was born a Chiranjeevi? Who is Shirdi Sai? a Chiranjeevi or a Mokshin or Lord?

Om

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.
Namaste Atanu.
Informative Post.Thanks for the insight provided.

[yajvan]

Om Shirdi Sai Ram.

The List of Chiranjeevis

• Ashwatama -- son of teacher Drona
• Bali
• Vyasa -- the sage who wrote the Mahabharat epic
• Hanuman -- the Monkey faced son of Wind God Vayu
• Vibhishana -- the brother of Ravana and an embassodor of Lord Ramachandra
• Kripacharya -- the Brahmin of Hastinapur who taught the Pandavas and the Kauravas
• Parashurama -- an avatar of Lord Vishnu, Rama with an axe

Namaste,



Vyasa that is mentioned is Veda Vyasa.
His name is Krsna Dwaipayana, son of Parasara muni, a rishi of the Veda, and in the lineage of Vasistha. Parasara is also the cornerstone of Jyotish. Krsna Dwaipayana's mother is none other then Satyavati.

This word vyasa or व्यास = arranger , compiler , severing , separation , division ; Dwaipanyana-ji organized the Vedas accordingly, so he is a vyasa.

He also wrote the epic , the Mahabharata, not to mention 18 Puranas.
Dwaipanyana-ji is also considered Badarayana, the author of the Brahma Sutras.

He is the exponent of the Divine and mankind combined.

pranams,