Hari Om
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Originally Posted by
Bob G
Hello Yajvan,
I agree with your apparent line of reasoning to a point... although I'd use the description that "Oneness" is an aspect, or the first and the last Aspect of that which can not really be named. Thus in my way of thinking "Brahman" is only a name for the nameless, where-as creation and or Creator can be given names such as Oneness.
Were you interested in the very short Chapter 43? (viewable through the on-line resource) Good day.
Namaste and hello BG,
I think I have a few ideas for this post...
- If I recall, your orientation of Brahman is the unmanifest. While I concur, Brahman that is explained in the Upanishads is both unmanifest and manifest. That is why It is seen as wholeness. And this dividing line between the two is there due to our (my) ignorance. Once an individual is completely 'Realized' this line does not exist, only wholeness , no nirguna or saguna ( so say the wise e.g. my teacher).
- So when we get the aspect of Oneness as you mention above, there is only this Oneness- this Bhuma or Fullness this samasta or holistic view of all.
- For Buddhism this may be the Void ( again, I am comparing and contrasting so we find common ground to talk from). We have discussed this void ( sunya). So if I put on my Kasmir Saivism hat , we would recognize this void with the following definition - that which is devoid of all tattvas, that which is devoid of all traces of klesas (past impressions) that is sunya ( I have referenced the term abhava as non-existence in a past post).
The only reason I bring this up is the pure experience of akasa from our last email - one can have that experience of void/sunya. Yet beyond that there too is the fullness of the Absolute. Some call this pure consciousness. It is homogeneous, fullness, perfect Being. And some too can suggest that the experience is that of Void. - Yet a whole book is dedicated to suggesting that there is spanda, vibration or throbbing, the Creative Impulse that is there in this Absolute. This is found in the Spanda karikas.
So, the above was offered just as a point of reference - I am not in the 'converting' business and I respect your studies and where you are coming from. For me, I have to translate the POV's into my terms so I can add value and be able to comprehend the subject matter... go figure eh?
Now, Verse 43 , yes I have looked at it:
The softest of all things
overrides the hardest of all things.
Only Nothing can enter into no-space.
Hence I know the advantages of Non-Ado.
Few things under heaven are as instructive as
the lessons of Silence,
Or as beneficial as the fruits of Non-Ado.
Do you care to comment on this verse (sloka)? What are your thoughts?
I gravitate to the line 'Only Nothing can enter into no-space' - as sunya is there, akaska is there.
pranams
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