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    Re: Lord Krishna is an avatara of Lord Vishnu

    Atanu posted some Dubious translations in post 24 with regards to Rigveda.
    The Sanskrit versions are as follows

    Rv:1:87:1
    पितुं नु सतोषं महो धर्माणं तविषीम |
    यस्य तरितो वयोजसा वर्त्रं विपर्वमर्दयत ||

    Rv:1:87:2
    सवादो पितो मधो पितो वयं तवा वव्र्महे |
    अस्माकमविता भव ||

    Translations provided by Atanu

    Rig Veda
    1.187.01 I glorify Father, the great, the upholder, the strong, by whose invigorating power Trita slew the mutilated Vr.tra.

    1.187.02 Savoury Pita_; sweet pita_; we worship you; become our protector.


    There is no mention of father or Pita in the above verses.

    These are one of those verses in Vedas which are undecipherable.

    The words पितुं and पितो are different from the word पिता (Father)

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    Re: Lord Krishna is an avatara of Lord Vishnu

    Continuing with post above and referring to Post 24

    It has to be made clear that there is no mention of a seperate Diety named Shiva in any of the 4 Vedas;

    Atanu's Translation

    187.03 Come to us, Pita_, Shiv with auspicious aids; a source of delight; not unpalatable; a friend well respected, and having none but agreeable properties

    The Sanskrit Version

    उप नः पितवा चर शिव
    शिवाभिरूतिभिः |
    मयोभुरद्विषेण्यः सखा सुशेवो अद्वयाः

    There are two words here शिव and शिवाभिरूतिभ

    शिव means Auspicious.

    पितवा once again is not FATHER(PITA)

    In the RIGVEDA Indra was called Shiv-शिव(Auspicious)

    rv 6:45:17

    यो गर्णतामिदासिथापिरूती शिवः सखा |
    स तवंन इन्द्र मर्ळय



    And The slayer of Vrtra happens to be Indra in most of the verses in rigveda and Yazurveda:

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    Re: Lord Krishna is an avatara of Lord Vishnu

    Quote Originally Posted by proudhindu View Post
    Continuing with post above and referring to Post 24

    It has to be made clear that there is no mention of a seperate Diety named Shiva in any of the 4 Vedas;

    Atanu's Translation

    187.03 Come to us, Pita_, Shiv with auspicious aids; a source of delight; not unpalatable; a friend well respected, and having none but agreeable properties
    The Sanskrit Version
    उप नः पितवा चर शिव
    शिवाभिरूतिभिः |
    मयोभुरद्विषेण्यः सखा सुशेवो अद्वयाः
    There are two words here शिव and शिवाभिरूतिभ
    शिव means Auspicious.
    पितवा once again is not FATHER(PITA)
    In the RIGVEDA Indra was called Shiv-शिव(Auspicious)
    rv 6:45:17
    यो गर्णतामिदासिथापिरूती शिवः सखा |
    स तवंन इन्द्र मर्ळय

    And The slaye of Vrtra happens to be Indra in most of the verses in rigveda and Yazurveda:

    Namaste Proud,

    The translation is from Sarwasati Project and not mine.

    The light that never goes down, which is of yellow hue is also the sweet progenitor of all, whose auspicious energy is called Soma. It cannot be a separate deity -- that is the point. It is the substratum. But as Jabala Upanishad teaches that unworshippable substratum is is Ishwara situtated in Varanasi -- in the junction between two eyes above the bridge of the nose.

    The slayer of Vrtra is definitely Indra. But there are many verses in Veda which clarify that it was Agni and Soma who slew Vrtra. It was Brihaspati who guided Indra.

    And the cited verse calrify that the intelligent input of the yellow hued pitA helps Indra slay vrtra. There is no abnormality in this. Since Keno Upanishad also chastises Agni, Vayu, and Indra on their pride.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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