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    Jyotish + Ayurved + Ratna (gems)

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    Namaste,
    There is a Persian saying, qadre hira shah vadanad ya vadanad jauhari - the value of a diamond is known to a king, or the jauhari knows it.
    That is, the King that deals in wealth knows the value of diamonds in a monetary sense, yet the jauhari ( one who knows about gems) also knows the hidden treasures of the ratnas ( gems).

    People wear gems for fashion. Many wear them to help them strengthen, or add the energy of the grahas or weaken the influences of the grahas.

    I thought with this post, and others if there is interest we can talk a bit about this. I myself wear coral with a particular ad-mixture of metals that make up the ring. I have been quite interested in gems for a while, yet it is an expensive 'hobby' to say the least.

    I thought to offer what certain gems are worn on specific fingers and the alignment to ayurveda. I found the knowledge interesting, as it is applied by many jyotishas, perhaps you will too.

    It is called out in the Jataka Parijata , a monumental work by Sri Vaidyanata Dikshita, that the 9 graha¹ have associated ratna² .
    Ruby is the gem of the lord of the day Surya. Some call Aditya and some also recognize surya as bhutasya jata, the creator of all bhutas i.e. the elements.
    Pearl is the gemstone of Chandra, some call Soma.
    Red Coral is the gemstone of Mangal or Mars ( some call Kuja)
    Emerald is the gemstone of Mercury or Budha
    Yellow sapphire is the gemstone of Jupiter or Guru (many call Brihaspati).
    Diamond is the gemstone of Venus or Sukra
    Blue sapphire is the gemstone of Saturn or Sani.
    Agate ( some say Hessonite) is the gemstone of Rahu
    Lapis lazuli ( some say Cat's eye and even turquoise) is the gemstone of Ketu

    Which Hand & Which Finger?
    As one picks a gem to wear then there is the decision of which finger. First lets consider which hand. There is a choice. It is considered the Right hand brings energy in, and the left hand allows energy to flow out.
    So the question is one of balance. Are we trying to strengthen a quality or energy or dissipate it? Some consider the right hand Solar, and left hand Lunar i.e. energy is gathered in the day with surya on the rise, and then dissipated in the evenings with the setting of the sun and rising moon.
    So the rule is, add gems to the right hand fingers to strengthen and left hand fingers to dissipate.
    So one needs to know a little about their birth chart to figure out which grahas are beneficial ( shubh graha) and which ones are malefic (kroor graha).

    What Finger To Wear the Gem?
    When wearing gems as a upayae³ ( upAya) all the fingers are recognized, not just the ring finger. From an Ayurvedic perspective lets look at the 5 fingers of the right hand. We are looking at the 5 mahabhutas or the 5 elements:
    • Thumb = akasha (space) therefore Jupiter
    • Index finger = vayu (air or gas principle) therefore Saturn
    • Middle finger = tejas ( fire or energy, conflaguration principle) therefore Mars
    • Ring finger = jala ( water or fluid principle) therefore Moon
    • Baby finger = prithvi ( earth or material principle) therefore Mercury
    View 1 - An Ayurvedic view
    There are a few views here on where to wear a ring. One is to match the bhuta/element of the planet ( graha) with the finger's element.
    Hence Thumb one would wear the Gem of Jupiter, index finger would that of Saturn, middle finger would be that of Mars, ring finger would be that of the Moon and the baby finger is that of Mercury.

    View 2 - Harish Johari View

    • Thumb = Venus
    • Index finger = Jupiter
    • Middle finger = Saturn
    • Ring finger = Sun
    • Baby finger = Mercury
    But what about Rahu and Ketu ?
    From a jyotish perspective Rahu is associated with Saturn and Ketu associated with Mars... Hence the fingers of Saturn then for Rahu and the fingers for Mars can be used for Ketu.
    Are there other views? Yep. Some say to wear Rahu gem and Ketu gem on the little finger of the left hand.

    The Traditional Ring Finger - Right Hand
    Many people wear gems on this finger. From an Ayurvedic perspective it makes sense. Why so? The right hand is 'energy in' to the system, and the ring finger is jala, or water. The body is ~ 80% water, so there is good conductivity and affinity between the gem and the bhuta of water principle throughout the body's system. It is also water and therefore Moon-chandra, and in the influence is created there too.

    A few things to note

    • If you are using a gem as a upaye, it must touch your skin. Not doing so , you are not gaining the benefit.
    • IMHO too many gems being worn is not the optimal use of the gems. It is my opinion only that there is 'cross talk' or interference - too many messages going on at one time. I have seen folks with 5 or 6 gems on at the same time.
    • Quality is king. A good stone or alternative stone is best. Avoid ( that is do not use) a cracked stone, or blemished stone. Consider it like an electrical cord that has been frayed or cut and the full current is not going through the wire.
    • When you buy the stone is important, and when you put the stone on is also important also , as you want the blessings of the grahas to accompany you all along the way
    What else can we talk about?
    • the weight of the gem in rattikas, then converted to carats and recommended weights for use
    • pure gems vs. flawed gems
    • replacement gems other the the nava-ratna ( or 9 gems) discussed
    • your experiences - are the gems working for you?
    • Which gems are best?
    • Gem classifications - their dosas ( vata , pitta, kapha)
    • Qualities of a good stone (ratna)
    • What else can one strengthen? Intellect, Lagna, etc.
    • When to buy a gem ? which day of the week.
    pranams,

    1. graha (ग्रह) - seizing , laying hold of , holding; a planet. Yet is the notion of a graha as that which binds or holds. Holds what ? A seizing or influencing or ones actions, karma, influences, and the like.
    2. ratna (रत्न) - a jewel , gem , treasure , precious stone; a gift , present , goods , wealth , riches
    3. upAya ( उपाय ) - a means of success against an enemy ; that by which one reaches one's aim , a means or expedient (of any kind) , way , stratagem , craft , artifice;
    † Harish Johari - a most wise Jauhari from a lineage of those knowledgeable in ratna use. His 1988 book, The Healing Power of Gems is excellent. Johariji ( 1934 to 1999) was also skilled in Jyotish; his Jyotish guru was Swamiji Narayan Risi... I wish I had the opportunity to meet Johariji, but know him by his writings.
    4. FYI - Gem book I use is Gemstones Of The World by Walter Schumann - 1977 publication: ISBN 0-8069-3088-8
    Last edited by yajvan; 01 May 2011 at 10:46 PM. Reason: spelling and syntax updates
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    Shiv Prasad Tata (www.astrojyoti.com) claims that there is no scriptural basis for using Ratnas as remedies. Scripture mentions various gems associated with various planets in their respective dhyana slokas, but according to him there is not a single verse of evidence pointing to use of Ratnas as remedies in Jyotis shaastra. Is this true ??

    As for efficacy (whether there is shastric evidence or not), I can vouch that a proper gem (not duplicate) of correct & reasonable size do have noticeable impact of graha shanti. I have seen this with my own life and that of others.
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    Re: Jyotish + Ayurved + Ratna (gems)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sm78 View Post
    As for efficacy (whether there is shastric evidence or not), I can vouch that a proper gem (not duplicate) of correct & reasonable size do have noticeable impact of graha shanti. I have seen this with my own life and that of others.
    Namaste,
    • The Sun manifest his brilliance in a ruby although it is a gem. Sri Brahma Samhita: 5.49
    • Garuda Puranam, chapt. 68.17, Pure, flawless gems have auspicious powers which can protect one from demons, snakes, poisons, diseases, sinful reactions, and other dangers, while flawed stones have the opposite affect.
    • Agni Puranam chapt. 246.7-8, A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck. A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all.
    • The Brihat Samhita of Varahamihira suggests the following:
      ratna having good lustre, pure and clear color , without flaws ensures good luck and protection. - I will find the sloka for reference as Varahamihira reviews gems in Chapt 80, 81, 82 and I think 83.
    • Accordingly the Rig Veda calls this out the 7 gems yet I have not found the sloka, to use the 7 gems to catch the rays of the sun - this was from my notes taken from my teacher, more on this when I find the specific slokas.
    • Jataka Parijata offered yesterday - if you care to read adhyaya 2.21, subscribes the grahas to the ratnas - just as an audit trail on my writings.
    More will be offered on ratnashastra (and appended to this post) as chapter and verse for reference will be offered.

    Note the cautions on a blemished gem - that it has opposite effects.

    pranams
    Last edited by yajvan; 25 January 2008 at 04:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    • Thumb = akasha (space) therefore Jupiter
    • Index finger = vayu (air or gas principle) therefore Saturn
    • Middle finger = tejas ( fire or energy, conflagration principle) therefore Mars
    • Ring finger = jala ( water or fluid principle) therefore Moon
    • Baby finger = prithvi ( earth or material principle) therefore Mercury
    Namaste,

    There is a school of thinking that suggests the index finger is inauspicious. it is called tarjani, or threatening , scolding , putting to shame. Have you ever been scolded and someone wagged their index finger at you while offering their scorn?

    Why is this index finger considered so? From a Ayurvedic standpoint it is owned by śani or saturn , as shown in the above list. We know śani as the one that offeres grief, yet discipline too...so that wagging finger is associated with the discipline that emanates from saturn energy.

    Yesterday's post mentioned the weight of a stone. Today people talk in carats. Yet many that are jauhari use the term rattika. This is = to .59 metric carats.
    I have seen often where people say they want 5 rattika and the person listening thinks its 5 carats... the cost as you would suspect is vastly different for a gem of 5 rattika vs. 5 carats. That is the 5 carat will be 169% more expensive then the 5 rattika stone if purely based on size-and-weight.

    Different metals are also used pending the gem-graha in question. I have tried this for several rings and the outcome ( in terms of looks) has been favorable.
    For a coral ring project I completed, the ring uses 3 parts gold and 4 parts copper. It gives the ring a different look and feel. Now, the issue is working with people that understand how to do this ad-mixture successfully. I work directly with the jewelers and metal formers on these projects , as it's fun to draw and sketch what you need. If one wishes to wear a ruby , the ad-mixture is 7 parts gold and 1 part copper. Pearl for the moon , is pure silver.

    Where I have not been successful is an ad-mixture of 5 parts, this is used for ketu and rahu. The mixture is iron+silver+copper+gold+ zinc. Some even suggest 8 metals called ashta-dhatu.

    One other idea...many people that get married use the classic diamond as a symbol of their commitment and love. It's of interest to consider the following. If Venus is the ruler of the 6th or 8th or 12th house and ill-placed say in the ascendant (lagna) the wearing of the diamond called vajra may be unwise. One is amplifying the influence of a malefic house into the native.
    The good news is, the setting of the diamond. Many if not all settings of diamonds are placed in a manner to collect as much light as possible. That means the setting is usually sits high on the cradle and no part of the stone is touching the finger. This may help.

    For me , I do not do well with diamonds, they do not 'feel' right to me. I would not be a good jeweler as most gem traffic for cosmetic use are diamonds. I much prefer the colored stones of sapphires and emeralds, yet enjoy all the metals.

    pranams
    Last edited by yajvan; 26 January 2008 at 07:59 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Hi Yajvan,
    I live in USA. Thanks for sharing this information. I am a follower of Indian astrology and use of gemstones has always attracted me as they are beautiful and beneficial as well. Recently there was some loss in my business and my financial condition is not good at this time. I am being suggested to wear ruby. Please advice me the exact weight and from where I can get a genuine ruby .
    Please help!!
    Thanks in advance!!!!
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    Re: Jyotish + Ayurved + Ratna (gems)

    Quote Originally Posted by shaunmills View Post
    Hi Yajvan,
    I live in USA. Thanks for sharing this information. I am a follower of Indian astrology and use of gemstones has always attracted me as they are beautiful and beneficial as well. Recently there was some loss in my business and my financial condition is not good at this time. I am being suggested to wear ruby. Please advice me the exact weight and from where I can get a genuine ruby .
    Please help!!
    Thanks in advance!!!!
    Shaun Mills
    D.O.B 6th august 1986
    Time- 09:05 am
    Namaste shaunmills,

    Well, you are right gemstones have been used since ancient time as auspicious stuff in India. So if you been advised to wear ruby then you must consider it. You can check this : http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/ruby-(ceylonese)_352..php3 for getting authentic ruby gemstone.
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    namasté

    the question has aged and is about 6 years old... I'd think shaunmills has found his/her solution by now.

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    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
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    Re: Jyotish + Ayurved + Ratna (gems)

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    hariḥ om̐
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    namasté

    the question has aged and is about 6 years old... I'd think shaunmills has found his/her solution by now.

    इतिशिवं
    iti śivaṁ
    Ancient texts (jyotish) mention and specify gemstones in association to astrological planets.
    But which one specifies that one must wear those for remedial purposes...?
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